[at-l] The COLOR of Stuff: Open (political) response to Thee Clyde

[Sly]

Y'all can keep me out of your abortion debate and drop the copy to.  I 
haven't brought it up, or commented about it, on the list. 

Thanks,

Sly

Gadog430 wrote:
> Babies shouldn't be killed. Either when they are the size of a pinhead 
> or by sucking their brains out.
>  
> You can hate me if you want to, but that's the truth. And as a woman 
> who has a right to choose AND as mother who kept her children instead 
> of killing them, you won't get me to change my mind.
>  
> Dawg
>  
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Frank Looper <mailto:nightwalker.at at gmail.com>
>     *To:* rcli4 at comcast.net <mailto:rcli4 at comcast.net>
>     *Cc:* Gadog430 <mailto:gadog430 at charter.net> ; Sly
>     <mailto:hikertrash at gmail.com> ; at-l at backcountry.net
>     <mailto:at-l at backcountry.net>
>     *Sent:* Monday, November 03, 2008 2:41 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [at-l] The COLOR of Stuff: Open (political)
>     response to Thee Clyde
>
>     2008/11/2 <rcli4 at comcast.net <mailto:rcli4 at comcast.net>>
>
>         I think the thing that bothers me the most, is that it is all
>         so unecessary.  With the appointment of 2 supreme court judges
>         a certinty in the next four years the choice has been made
>         simple.  If you want the right to kill your unborn babies you
>         had better vote for Obama.  McCain will take that right away
>         from you if he gets the chance.  I am headed for Arizona. 
>         Watch the TV, I think I will be on the stage on the inside. 
>         McCain will be outside, but I think they will show us.  If you
>         know Charlie Crist look around him.
>          
>         Clyde
>          
>
>     Sorry, bud, you ain't getting a free ride on this one. Following
>     is *_/this/_* Democrat's response to the Republican Talking Points
>
>     Yo, Clyde! What happened to "I won't attack them first, but I'll
>     hit back hard if they do," or whatever it was that you said a
>     month or so ago? I had said earlier that I was really proud of
>     people for doing good during this election cycle, but that it
>     probably wouldn't last. I guess I was right.
>
>     I think abortion is wrong as well. But it's not the only issue.
>     Not even the most important. Abortion has been going down for
>     years. Hopefully it will continue to.
>
>     I was "victimized" by an abortion when I was 16. My girlfriend and
>     I screwed up and she got pregnant. My mother rushed her to Atlanta
>     to get her an abortion. I didn"t want it; Joanna didn"t want it;
>     her parents didn"t even know. My mother is one of these loud,
>     "walk for life" kind of folks, yet in this case her beliefs
>     weren't as strong as her selfish ego. She didn't want to be
>     embarrassed by her boy making a baby, I guess. Joanna, me and our
>     baby didn't matter. My life was ruined. I'll suffer until I die.
>     But good old mom is well-respected through the entire community
>     for her right-to-life stance. Go figure. Please don't presume to
>     take the moral high ground against someone because of who you, or
>     they, are voting for. I've seen that from a lot of Republicans and
>     Democrats and Independents and it's disgusting.
>
>     Right to life. Is that only before folks are born? What about
>     capital punishment? Do you believe that people have given up their
>     right to life when they get found guilty in court? What about the
>     people that get wrongly convicted? Is that just an "oops and oh
>     well" kind of thing? Even if they're truly guilty, what gives us
>     the right to "kill them back?" What about children, men and women
>     who are getting killed innocently in Iraq? Is that okay? Are you
>     mad yet? Are you THINKING yet?
>
>     Republican folk like to think that they are "God's Party." I am a
>     United Methodist. We are against abortion for use of birth control
>     and most other reasons. We are also against war except as a last
>     resort. 9/11, perpetrated by a bunch of Saudis, does not rise to
>     that level of a "last resort" need for us to attack Iraq. It
>     wasn't even good enough for us to attack Afghanistan, even though
>     I (wrongly) supported that war. Why do the people in this country
>     say that they believe in God and his law not believe it all?
>     Vengeance belongs to him. We are fighting an evil, evil war and
>     we're paying for it. Even in the Old Testament, when the Jews
>     fought a war that God didn't tell them to, they suffered, lost,
>     were captured or any number of other things.
>
>     I think it is so sad that people say "well, they hit us first."
>     Right. Does "turn the other cheek" and "resist not evil" only mean
>     other people and other countries? This goes against human nature
>     and common sense, but Proverbs says "there is a way that seems
>     right to a man. That way leads to desolation."
>
>     I love you, Clyde, believe it or not. If you need to get mad at me
>     to feel better, I understand. However, don't think that you can
>     just vote for the Party of Palin on one issue alone, and that it's
>     all suddenly morally acceptable and okay. Because it isn't.
>     Neither party is truly acceptable, and we should probably just let
>     them all go to hell on their own. Yet, every 2/4 years, we get
>     into this like it really means something, or that things will
>     really change. I'd imagine we're all wrong again.
>
>     Frank
>
>
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