[at-l] at-l Digest, Vol 15, Issue 42

vincentw at bellsouth.net vincentw at bellsouth.net
Fri Nov 21 13:54:09 CST 2008


Since you all are on the subject......I'm in the market for a winter jacket.  I'm wanting to be able to deal with "real cold" but be as light weight as possible.  What do you all recommend?
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> 1. Pit Zips--- (Leslie Booher) 
> 2. Re: Pit Zips--- (Ken Bennett) 
> 3. Re: Pit Zips--- (Amy Forinash) 
> 4. Re: Pit Zips--- (Jim Bullard) 
> 5. Re: Pit Zips--- (KGJ) 
> 6. Re: Pit Zips--- (Tom McGinnis) 
> 7. Re: Pit Zips--- (EHamilton) 
> 8. Re: Pit Zips--- (Cutter) 
> 9. How (Felix J) 
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> Message: 1 
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:57:13 -0800 
> From: Leslie Booher 
> Subject: [at-l] Pit Zips--- 
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> I realized the other day that my winter jacket has pit zips. I know the theory 
> behind them, but I can't imagine ever really using them. Do any of you actually 
> unzip them to air out your pits? I can imagine using them on the trail on cold 
> nights to stick a wash rag in for cleaning purposes, maybe, but not much else. 
> My thought is that maybe they're a better idea than they are in reality. 
> Comments? a'bear 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2 
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:01:32 -0500 
> From: "Ken Bennett" 
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Pit Zips--- 
> To: "Leslie Booher" 
> Cc: at-l at backcountry.net 
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> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Leslie Booher wrote: 
> 
> > I realized the other day that my winter jacket has pit zips. I know the 
> > theory behind them, but I can't imagine ever really using them. Do any of 
> > you actually unzip them to air out your pits? 
> 
> 
> 
> What sort of winter jacket? I open the pit zips in my rain shell all the 
> time while hiking. I also have pit zips in a soft shell jacket, but I don't 
> wear that hiking. I do occasionally unzip, though, when I'm working outside 
> or some such. 
> 
> --Ken 
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:05:40 -0500 
> From: Amy Forinash 
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Pit Zips--- 
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> On Nov 20, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Leslie Booher wrote: 
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> > I realized the other day that my winter jacket has pit zips. I know 
> > the theory behind them, but I can't imagine ever really using them. 
> > Do any of you actually unzip them to air out your pits? I can 
> > imagine using them on the trail on cold nights to stick a wash rag 
> > in for cleaning purposes, maybe, but not much else. My thought is 
> > that maybe they're a better idea than they are in reality. 
> > Comments? a'bear 
> 
> I *wish* my winter jacket had pit zips. As soon as I get active it's 
> too warm. 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4 
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:09:05 -0500 
> From: "Jim Bullard" 
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Pit Zips--- 
> To: "Ken Bennett" 
> Cc: at-l at backcountry.net 
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> If I'm overheating that is the first thing that gets opened either hiking or 
> snow shoveling. As a rule I don't get cold from breezes when I open the pit 
> zips like I can from unzipping the front. It allows circulation/cooling but 
> usually not chilling. There are of course, exceptions to every rule. 
> 
> Jim Bullard 
> http://jims-ramblings.blogspot.com/ 
> 
> 
> 2008/11/20 Ken Bennett 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Leslie Booher wrote: 
> > 
> >> I realized the other day that my winter jacket has pit zips. I know the 
> >> theory behind them, but I can't imagine ever really using them. Do any of 
> >> you actually unzip them to air out your pits? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What sort of winter jacket? I open the pit zips in my rain shell all the 
> > time while hiking. I also have pit zips in a soft shell jacket, but I don't 
> > wear that hiking. I do occasionally unzip, though, when I'm working outside 
> > or some such. 
> > 
> > --Ken 
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:35:04 -0500 
> From: "KGJ" 
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Pit Zips--- 
> To: "Leslie Booher" , 
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> i use mine. they're great! 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Leslie Booher" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:57 PM 
> Subject: [at-l] Pit Zips--- 
> 
> 
> >I realized the other day that my winter jacket has pit zips. I know the 
> >theory behind them, but I can't imagine ever really using them. Do any of 
> >you actually unzip them to air out your pits? I can imagine using them on 
> >the trail on cold nights to stick a wash rag in for cleaning purposes, 
> >maybe, but not much else. My thought is that maybe they're a better idea 
> >than they are in reality. Comments? a'bear 
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/at-l 
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> Message: 6 
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:24:48 -0800 (PST) 
> From: Tom McGinnis 
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Pit Zips--- 
> To: KGJ , at-l at backcountry.net 
> Message-ID: <104279.74054.qm at web110401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 
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> In 1979, I took 5 days "off" in Connecticut to attend a reunion, eat like a 
> horse, buy, repackage, and send drop boxes, and to get my "storm" situation 
> settled. My original GoreTex shell (which SUCKED) had been stolen in Waynesboro, 
> and I'd come north from there with a baseball cap as my rain gear. (Not a hard 
> trick, as many can attest, but not something you want to head into New England 
> sporting, either.) 
> 
> I spent most of the miles all the way to Hanover in the most perfect GoreTex, 
> pit-zipped parka shell EVER invented. I wore it sometimes from start of day to 
> end, and it would adjust so perfectly, between the throat and the bottom zipping 
> towards each other, and the pit zips truly VENTING my midriff -- I NEVER had to 
> stop because I was sweating. I was identified by the Stratton Pond caretaker as 
> a throughhiker because when, at 7:00am in the morning and me stopping to ask the 
> time, through a tent wall he asked "You going to Maine?" huh was my reply. 
> "Well, you're whistling in the pouring rain. Only throughhikers do that" came 
> the reply. He hadn't even laid eyes on me. At that point, I truly knew I could 
> make it to Maine. 
> 
> Yeah, pit zips rock. And I still have that shell. Use it regularly. Needs to be 
> sealed. Almost froze me heading over Mt. Rogers overnight in sleet that one year 
> at Trail Days..... 'member that one? Cold. 
> 
> Nutballtoe 
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, KGJ wrote: 
> 
> > i use mine. they're great! 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Leslie Booher" 
> > >I realized the other day that my winter jacket has pit zips. I know the 
> > >theory behind them, but I can't imagine ever really 
> > using them. Do any of you actually unzip them to air out your pits? 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7 
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:33:37 -0800 (PST) 
> From: EHamilton 
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Pit Zips--- 
> To: at-l at backcountry.net 
> Message-ID: <891396.54069.qm at web57203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 
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> Guess y'all have just talked me into taking my Marmot Precip rain/wind jacket 
> with the pit zips, instead of the lightweight nylon jacket I have, or a $5 
> plastic poncho, or a couple garbage bags (top and "skirt.") 
> 
> 
> It's lost its water-shedding ability somehow, though, even though?I've hardly 
> even worn it. I can get Granger's at the outfitter but... just wondering, would 
> it ruin it to spray it with silicone spray? That worked really well on my nylon 
> jacket (the one w/o pit zips.) 
> 
> And what Leslie said about using the zips for pit-washing in cold weather.... 
> genius!!! 
> 
> MacGyver 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________ 
> From: Tom McGinnis sloetoe at yahoo.com 
> 
> I spent most of the miles all the way to Hanover in the most perfect GoreTex, 
> pit-zipped parka shell EVER invented. I wore it sometimes from start of day to 
> end, and it would adjust so perfectly, between the throat and the bottom zipping 
> towards each other, and the pit zips truly VENTING my midriff -- I NEVER had to 
> stop because I was sweating. I was identified by the Stratton Pond caretaker as 
> a throughhiker because when, at 7:00am in the morning and me stopping to ask the 
> time, through a tent wall he asked "You going to Maine?" huh was my reply. 
> "Well, you're whistling in the pouring rain. Only throughhikers do that" came 
> the reply. He hadn't even laid eyes on me. At that point, I truly knew I could 
> make it to Maine. 
> 
> Yeah, pit zips rock. And I still have that shell. Use it regularly. Needs to be 
> sealed. Almost froze me heading over Mt. Rogers overnight in sleet that one year 
> at Trail Days..... 'member that one? Cold. 
> 
> Nutballtoe 
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:02:28 -0500 
> From: Cutter 
> Subject: Re: [at-l] Pit Zips--- 
> To: EHamilton 
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> If it's not shedding water it might just be dirty. If I remember right, it's 
> okay to give the Precip a good but gentle washing with a mild liquid 
> detergent and run it through the dryer. 
> The Precip isn't Goretex, but it's close enough that I think you can treat 
> it as such. Check the label for cleaning instructions. I gave my Precip to 
> my son so I can't check. 
> 
> Most modern waterproof fabrics need to be clean to work best. And usually, 
> the dryer helps to restore the waterprooofness. 
> I'd be leery of a silicone spray. It will likely clog up the breathability 
> of the fabric. 
> 
> 2008/11/20 EHamilton 
> 
> > 
> > It's lost its water-shedding ability somehow, though, even though I've 
> > hardly even worn it. I can get Granger's at the outfitter but... just 
> > wondering, would it ruin it to spray it with silicone spray? That worked 
> > really well on my nylon jacket (the one w/o pit zips.) 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cutter 
> http://cutter.wordpress.com 
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> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:30:33 -0500 
> From: Felix J 
> Subject: [at-l] How 
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> How do we all feel about having missed Jim Boo'yard's birthday Tuesday? 
> I don't feel none too good about it. I missed my uncle's the next day, 
> too. For shame... 
> 
> -- 
> Felix J. McGillicuddy 
> ME-->GA '98 
> "Your Move" 
> ALT '03 KT '03 
> http://Felixhikes.tripod.com/ 
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