[at-l] 2011 Dates for Appalachian Trail Institute and Smart Start
carla_dave_hicks at verizon.net
Wed Feb 2 13:06:00 CST 2011
I'm not sure how much we are disagreeing.
I have always been a live-and-let-live guy. I tend to march to a different
drum than many folk and have no problem with other folk marching to a
different drum than I.
Whether home décor or hiking, I have no problem with folk who like doilies
for protection of whatever.
To me, HYOH includes those who "own hike" has room various group hikes, paid
leaders, etc. It's just not my hike.
I have always like Spirit Eagle's , "The first part is that I walk my own
trail and live my own life and take responsibility for my own actions. The
second part is that I don't hike someone else's hike - or allow them to
influence mine except by my choice. The third part is to allow others to
hike their hike, their way - whether I agree with them or not, as long as
what they're doing isn't interfering with my hike or damaging the AT or the
The Crazy One and I had a number of disagreements (as to trail maintaining
and hiking). Yet, even with his far greater status in the community , he
never came across as condescending or as a know it all. I learned from him.
Yet it was in Spirit Eagle's sense of allow his ideas to influence mine --
by my choice.
As for no at-l, the RUCKs, Gatherings, etc, at those that I attended, I
never saw much of the my-way-or-the-highway attitude, such as on Wingnut's
Trailplace . Again, I see a great value in the at-l, the RUCKs, the
Gatherings, etc. It is through those and through reading that one learns
what how to be responsible for ones' own actions. We need to learn from the
mistakes of others -- we won't live long enough to make them all ourselves.
They are also great enablers of hiking one's own hike for many folk.
As for paid leader hikes and Spirit Eagle's, "allow others to hike their
hike, their way ", I seem to remember a rainy night that an Appalachian
Money Club paid leader hike was interfering with someone's hike and (IMHO)
damaging the trail community's values, with a proprietorial attitude about
shelter capacity. So, yup, there are times I have had been forcefully
negative about how others hiked.
ITOH, for those who see Warren's deals as a good deal, more power to them.
I fully support Spirit Eagle's, "allow others to hike their hike, their
way - whether I agree with them or not, as long as what they're doing isn't
interfering with my hike or damaging the AT or the Trail community."
I was just opining, that IMHO, I have no place for organized, paid leader
hikes and the like. Also, I question the need to pay for information
readily available at little or no cost, elsewhere.
So, HYOH in the Spirit Eagle sense.
From: Tom McGinnis
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:01 PM
To: AT-L ; Dave Hicks
Subject: Re: [at-l] 2011 Dates for Appalachian Trail Institute and Smart
Okay, for the record, Chainsaw and I finally disagree on something. (For
that other record, TheeClyde and I regularly disagree, except when we don't.
This is because sometimes I'm right, and sometimes Clyde thinks
1) Warren rocks. (The last time I looked, I had at least as many faults as
he, and if I'm going to charitably overlook mine, and lift my head out of
the shame of being human, I shouldn't too quickly cast about looking for
others to huck a stone at.)
2) If you don't like what's being taught, don't go. Life (we hope) is like a
ruck. Go where you want; make what you want to happen, happen.
3) "Tuition for the five-day/four-night program is $300 per person. Tuition
includes: on-site indoor lodging; four continental breakfasts; about 26
hours of classroom instruction; about 10 hours of hiking; and, instructional
materials. Payment is as follows: a $50 fully-refundable registration
deposit and the remainder of the tuition ($250) to be paid on the last day
of the program (satisfaction guaranteed)." I don't think you can pass wind
near an AMC facility without paying that PER NIGHT, and you'd be learning a
whole lot less. For people who are clueless, and who might think an AT hike
is a romp in the woods, filled with idyllic catalog poses of immaculate gear
(and a 40 pound pack), this is solid gold.
And as far as the whole "HYOH" business, as I've said many times, if that
were actually practiced, there'd be no at-l, no Whiteblaze, no Trailzone
(what was Wingnut's place called?)... We're all interested in being part of
a herd of cats -- being with like-minded souls in our solitude -- and
fitting (our uniqueness) in. Hike My Hike. ("And if you don't want my
opinion, don't ask for it by posting yours.")
--- On Tue, 2/1/11, Dave Hicks <carla_dave_hicks at verizon.net> wrote:
Regardless, Clyde is right. You can save money, HYOH (solo if you
like, which works for me), and not have to listen to someone tell you how to
hike their way every night.
From: rcli4 at comcast.net
If you really want to hike like this, the Hiker hostle will do the same
thing for 2 hikers for less money and put you up in a bed and feed you
And as an added extra you wouldn't have to listen to someone tell you how to
hike their way every night....
----- Original Message
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