[at-l] Wow, a for real flame war

Jim Smith cutter78 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 27 14:06:27 CST 2012


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On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ryan Brooks <ryan at hack.net> wrote:

> This thread is going into moderation.  -Ryan
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> On Dec 27, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well you are all living proof that there are morons that can use a cpu.
>  Good Job you hiked yay! you are a douche and a moron!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Richard Calkins <racalkins at msn.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Trail Journals entry
>> March 17,2005
>>
>> Posted because, well, because I can.  Gosh, I sure hope I don't annoy
>> nobody....
>>
>> I got a late start out of Neels Gap this morning. There was only one
>> vehicle available to shuttle us from the cabin back up to the Gap, so I let
>> some others go first and stayed to catch up a bit with my journal. As we
>> drove from our cabin, lower down the mountain, up to Neels Gap, I watched
>> the outside temperature gauge drop from 34 degrees to 30, and the drizzle
>> turn to snow.
>>
>> The delay, however, turned out to have an additional benefit, as I ran
>> into some really good M company friends who were a day behind me but had
>> arrived early from Wood’s Hole Shelter for their overnight in Neels Gap and
>> were in collecting packages when I got there.
>>
>> I met Scholar and Cuppa Joe, followed shortly thereafter by Mike Shine
>> and James Kenny. They told me that Breakaleg was not far behind, and I
>> waited another half an hour, but she didn't show up. By then it was 10:30,
>> and I had ten miles ahead of me, so I took off. Not a bad idea, as it
>> turned out, as there were a couple of pretty good mountains awaiting me.
>> One in particular was the climb out of Tesnatee Gap - straight up about a
>> thousand feet.
>>
>> You couldn't see very far ahead due to the clouds and snow, but it was
>> really beautiful and kind of fun to hike in. The good news was that my new
>> pack worked great. I ended up not even taking it off the whole ten miles,
>> and it was very comfortable. Other than that, however, I think you could
>> probably best describe my afternoon as “the misadventures of Private 2nd
>> Class Walter M. Longhaul."
>>
>> It began when the bite valve on the sip tube of my new water bladder
>> somehow malfunctioned. The one it replaced had a small lever to open and
>> close the tube; with this one, you just bite down on the mouth piece to
>> allow the water to flow. As usual, I had the tube stuck under the sternum
>> strap of my pack, and resting against my shirt. I did not notice it at
>> first as the tube began to leak water onto my shirt, since it was already
>> soaked with sweat from my climb up the last mountain. It pretty much
>> saturated the two shirts I was wearing, but was held in check for a while
>> by the belt to my pack. At a certain point, however, the volume of
>> accumulated, chilled water reached a critical mass and the dam burst. Given
>> the forces of gravity, there was only one place for it to go, and thus the
>> icy cold water cascaded joyfully into my drawers.
>>
>> "Oh YOWEE - yowee, yowee, yowee" screamed the right side of my brain.
>>
>> "Attention, Private Longhaul - Attention, Private Longhaul," said the
>> more rational voice from the left side of my brain. "Our sensors indicate a
>> serious temperature drop accompanied by unexplainable volumes of a liquid
>> substance in your lower quarters. You are advised to investigate
>> immediately and take whatever corrective action may be appropriate!"
>>
>> "Yowee!" screamed the right side of my brain again. "Shut the dang water
>> off, NOW!” which, of course, I did. And eventually, with the body heat
>> generated by continued climbs before reaching Low Gap Shelter, the excess
>> water began to evaporate away. Let’s hear it for "wicking" long johns!
>>
>> I arrived at the shelter and attended to the usual chores. Before long I
>> was ready to try out my new alcohol stove by cooking dinner - and that's
>> when my second misadventure began.
>>
>> Note to self: in future, always field test gear before taking it into the
>> back country where your life - or at least your dinner - may depend on
>> having all of the right pieces and knowing how they work....
>>
>> The stove consists of a small can with a lid with holes in it that you
>> fill with alcohol, which sits within a second open can which acts as a wind
>> screen and on which two cross pieces fit together forming a base on which
>> you set your pot.
>>
>> The trouble started when I realized that I could not get the two cross
>> pieces to fit together. At first I thought I was just doing it wrong, but
>> then I realized they had given me two identical cross pieces and there was
>> no way to get them to work.
>>
>> I spent the next 20 minutes improvising a pot base using titanium tent
>> stakes and duct tape. When that was done, I prepared to fill the stove with
>> fuel. I looked around for my alcohol bottle, but it seemed to have
>> disappeared. After a bit of searching, a hiker friend reminded me that I
>> had tucked it under my belt to warm it up, since alcohol doesn't burn well
>> when it's cold. (Hey, I just forgot, ok. I was concentrating on improvising
>> the thing!)
>>
>> So I filled the small can with fuel, put the lid on, and poured about
>> table spoon of alcohol onto the lid of the can - as per the instructions -
>> which acts as a primer, and lit it with my handy-dandy candle lighter.
>>
>> The primer alcohol burned down, but the stove did not seem to have
>> caught. I held my hand directly over the lid, and felt no heat coming out
>> whatsoever. (You can't necessarily see an alcohol flame in daylight, so
>> that's the only way to be sure.)
>>
>> I figured maybe the fuel was still too cold to burn, so I poured some
>> more priming alcohol onto the lid. That was when I discovered - to my
>> amazement - that I had indeed managed to light it the first time.
>> Apparently, the flame was still weak, and confined to the inside of the
>> can. My second dose of primer was all it needed to fully ignite, which it
>> did, including the bottle of alcohol I was still holding in my right hand.
>>
>> I now had two stoves going--one intentionally and one not. I proceeded to
>> try to blow out the flame coming out of my fuel bottle to no avail. After
>> several heroic attempts, and not knowing what else to do, I set the bottle
>> on the ground.
>>
>> I heard another hiker inside the shelter yell "your water bottle - your
>> water bottle,", referring to my plastic one liter water bag. Great idea, I
>> thought - I'll pour water on the fuel bottle and put out the fire. Why
>> didn't I think of that!
>>
>> So I pick up my water bottle and head toward my fuel bottle, only to
>> discover that he was trying to tell me that I had splashed alcohol on to my
>> water bottle which was itself on fire. This time, however, I was able to
>> blow out the flames and, through the hole I had burned in the water bottle,
>> managed to splash enough water to extinguish the flames coming from my fuel
>> bottle - much to my relief, and much to the amusement of the twenty or so
>> other hikers there assembled. Needless to say, my dinner was somewhat
>> delayed...
>>
>>
>> Stay tuned, Longhaul
>>
>> GA->ME '05
>>
>> Richard A. Calkins (Home) 703 437-4240 (Cell) 703 901-5981
>>
>> > From: trailr at aol.com
>> > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:44:21 -0500
>> > To: mpsignore at gmail.com
>> > CC: at-l at backcountry.net; pfornof at sbcglobal.net
>> > Subject: Re: [at-l] Wow, a for real flame war
>> >
>> > I know Felix, and like reading his trail entries, and his old AT
>> magazine stories, and everyone's trail and non trail experiences....
>> Because I know most of these people, and have for almost 20 years. Who are
>> you, and why should we care?
>> >
>> > Hotdog AT 03
>> >
>> > Trail Journals entry
>> > March 1, 2003. Springer to Hawk Mt.
>> > Posted for no reason at all.
>> >
>> > Well, last night was very interesting. The wind changed direction and
>> blew into the “not as weather-proof” side of the tent. Did I mention that
>> it was raining ? So my sleeping bag got kind of wet, but I stayed pretty
>> warm until 7 AM. I was wiping water off things most of the night. Temp.
>> probably was in the upper 30’s. Went up to Springer again this morning for
>> fog pictures, then hit the trail north. We are officially Pack 31 now
>> (3/1/03). Ate lunch after long falls at the Hickory Flatts pavilion. Laid
>> my gear out to dry, but forget it. Hiked a little farther to Hawk Mountain
>> Shelter (at 3:30PM) and set up shop in the loft, all my gear hanging out to
>> dry again. Hiked with Liteshoe, Wench, Happy, Bumpkin, and Kevin. Feels
>> good to sit back and relax for a while. Everything aches a little, nothing
>> too bad. Got really cold up in the shelter loft, started shivering, wrapped
>> in my space blanket, put on layers. Got dressed and started dinner at the
>> picnic back in the rain. Only off by a little on my alcohol, drank some
>> scotch, relit the stove. Freeze dried spaghetti is ok, with hot sauce,
>> parmesan, salt and pepper (and more scotch), with coffee. I’ve eaten a ton
>> today, feels good, had a hiker playing cool banjo and tell stories ( I took
>> his picture so people would believe me), Bone Dancer. Sleeping bag is
>> mostly dry, but I’m warm now, it will be ok. I’ll let you know about bears
>> and mice tomorrow. Update: Mouse activity last night, found turds in and on
>> my coffee cup. (Best cup I’ve had so far).
>>
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