[cdt-l] cdt-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 10

gene and linda butcher mountainbliss at alltel.net
Sat Jan 6 19:32:42 CST 2007


RE:  Animas range - What is the interest in hiking this range?  I'm looking
in the NM guide book, and find only that it follows the Continental Divide
and is a strenuous 28 mile range starting at mile 0 fm Mex with a total elev
gain of 2,342'.
Flat Feet
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>    1. Animas Range (Walter Cobbs)
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>    4.  Animas Range (Liz Mares)
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> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:33:04 -0500
> From: "Walter Cobbs" <walter.cobbs at gmail.com>
> Subject: [cdt-l] Animas Range
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> Has any one hiked in the Animas range?  I understand special permission is
> required from the Conservancy.  Does this apply throughout the range and
is
> permission routinely granted?
> Walt
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> From: "Marcia" <gottawalk at pacbell.net>
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> I wrote letters twice asking for permission to hike and was told a
stern"NO!" and then a resounding "we don't do SAR, there is no cell phone
coverage, yada yada". I gave them our hiking credentials and they did not
respond to our "leave-no-trace, we will not hold you responsible and we are
very self sufficient" plea.
>
> By that time I was exasperated and suspected them of running cattle on the
land and they didn't want anyone to see the results, but I guess I am a
cynic.
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> Other than that, good luck with your request.
> Marcia
> who WantedToWalk in the Animas
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> Has any one hiked in the Animas range?  I understand special permission is
required from the Conservancy.  Does this apply throughout the range and is
permission routinely granted?
> Walt
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> From: Slyatpct at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [cdt-l] Animas Range
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> In a message dated 1/5/2007 3:33:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> walter.cobbs at gmail.com writes:
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> Has any  one hiked in the Animas range?  I understand special permission
is
> required from the Conservancy.  Does this apply throughout the range and
is
> permission routinely granted?
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> Dick E Bird hiked the Animas several years ago, but I'm not sure if he
got
> permission.  If I'm not mistaken it's hardly ever granted.
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> Sly
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> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:42:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Liz Mares <azlazorra1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [cdt-l]  Animas Range
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> Walt wrote:
>     Has any one hiked in the Animas range?  I understand special
permission is required from the Conservancy.  Does this apply throughout the
range and is permission routinely granted?
>
>   Last I heard was that the Conservancy sold the range to a Budweiser Heir
and he stictly prohibits trespassing, no exceptions.  The private ranch goes
all the way north to Gillespie Peak.
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>   La Zorra
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> From: "Jonathan Ley" <jonathan at phlumf.com>
> Subject: [cdt-l] Animas Range
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> They do run cattle on the land... it's a working ranch. However, they do
run
> smaller numbers that are more sustainable given the environment/climate
> there, and allow the native plants and animals to live. I believe they
also
> work with other ranches in the area on sustainable practices, etc. I read
an
> article about it some time ago... somewhere.
>
>
>
> >From the article they seemed like decent people, but they have no
>
> incentive to open the land to hikers. I'm sure they have some lawyer
telling
> them it's not worth the risk, an insurer telling them "you're not covered
> for that", a ranch manager worried that hikers will spook the cattle, and
no
> way to verify who exactly would be hiking through (i.e. would they check
> your ID's?)... it's just work they'd rather not do.
>
>
>
> I think the same thing goes for most private ranches (think Tejon ranch on
> the PCT), which makes me appreciate public lands all the more!
>
>
>
> -Jonathan
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>
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>
>
> > I wrote letters twice asking for permission to hike and was told a
>
> > stern"NO!" and then a resounding "we don't do SAR, there is no cell
>
> > phone coverage, yada yada". I gave them our hiking credentials and
>
> > they did not respond to our "leave-no-trace, we will not hold you
>
> > responsible and we are very self sufficient" plea.
>
> >
>
> > By that time I was exasperated and suspected them of running cattle on
>
> > the land and they didn't want anyone to see the results, but I guess I
>
> > am a cynic.
>
> >
>
> > Other than that, good luck with your request.
>
> > Marcia
>
> > who WantedToWalk in the Animas
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > From: Walter Cobbs
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> > To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
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> > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:33 PM
>
> > Subject: [cdt-l] Animas Range
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Has any one hiked in the Animas range?  I understand special
>
> > permission is required from the Conservancy.  Does this apply
>
> > throughout the range and is permission routinely granted? Walt
>
> >
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