[cdt-l] wolf montana guide

Skot Phrea skotphrea at hctc.net
Sat Jun 16 21:42:34 CDT 2007


Howdy Folks, I was hoping someone out there would donate or sell me a 
slightly used Montana guidebook ? I am on a very tight budget and I have 
been selected to work on the Backpacker C.D.T. G.P.S. project. THANK YOU AND 
I HOPE TO SEE SOME OF YOU ON THE TRAIL THIS YEAR.  Skot
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ginny & Jim Owen" <spiritbear2k at hotmail.com>
To: <cdt-l at backcountry.net>; <erin at ridethegreatdivide.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [cdt-l] stock use


> You'll find that a lot of the CDT is not good for horses. Have you been in
> contact with Joanne Lennox, who thrurode the trail a few years ago?
>
> The new BLM section south of Cuba would not work for horses - you walk the
> edge of a cliff for much of the section - gorgeous, but dangerous for
> horses, then climb straight up the Mesa Chivato - impossible for horses. 
> In
> Colorado there are some sections that have a lot of talus - i.e. James 
> Peak.
>  I don't think you can get a horse over  that section.  On the
> Montana/Idaho border we frequently back and forth went under the fence.  I
> seem to remember that Glacier had some iffy sections as well.
>
> For the Malpais - you could have simply stayed on the west side and hiked
> the Chain of Craters Byway up to Zuni and Bonito Canyons.  Still roadwalk,
> but not highway.
>
> It is possible to ride the Divide - but you have to be creative and
> preferably talk to people (BLM or Forest Service or Backcountry Horsemen)
> who can give you ideas for alternate routes.  The nice thing about the CDT
> is that as long as you 'connect the steps' it's a thruhike - regardless of
> the route chosen.
>
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>>From: <erin at ridethegreatdivide.com>
>>Reply-To: cdt-l at backcountry.net, erin at ridethegreatdivide.com
>>To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
>>Subject: [cdt-l] stock use
>>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:43:35 -0700
>>
>>
>>I'm in the process of a thru-ride with my two mules
>>
>>right now and became very frustrated with the CDNST
>>
>>yesterday. My understanding was that the Trail was
>>
>>designated for foot and horse traffic, so imagine my
>>
>>surprise when I found that a section of the official
>>
>>trail was closed to stock use and likely impassable
>>
>>anyways.
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm aware that I'm probably the only rider on this
>>
>>list, but I hope that y'all can understand my
>>
>>frustration especially after riding 25 miles up
>>
>>highway 117 yesterday instead of the Zuni-Acoma trail.
>>
>>After just barely resisting the temptation to cut
>>
>>some wires and ride it anyways, I spoke to the ranger
>>
>>station to try and find a way out of riding the
>>
>>highway. I discovered that another section of the
>>
>>official trail through Hole In The Wall isn't closed
>>
>>to horses but is considered impassable.
>>
>>
>>
>>I know stock users do not compose the bulk of trail
>>
>>users. I'm also aware that many hikers, fairly or
>>
>>unfairly, have a negative impression of stock in the
>>
>>backcountry. However, this group of trail users
>>
>>deserves equal consideration and respect. Many riders
>>
>>are switching to low impact stock use methods: using
>>
>>light weight gear instead of traditional equipment,
>>
>>tree saver straps, tying stock at night, restraining
>>
>>away from water sources, etc.) In additon,
>>
>>organizations like Backcountry Horseman do significant
>>
>>trail maintenace to keep trails open. I am very
>>
>>disappointed that the BLM decided to place the
>>
>>official route in an area closed to stock.
>>
>>
>>
>>I am not suggesting that this section of the trail be
>>
>>entirely rerouted. I understand that the Zuni-Acoma
>>
>>trail offers a unique landscape, historical
>>
>>significance, as well as an unusual challenge to
>>
>>hikers. However, an official horse alternative needs
>>
>>to exist. Stock users should not be cut out of this
>>
>>trail.
>>
>>
>>
>>I know many hikers do not enjoy travelling through
>>
>>areas frequented by horse traffic. However, I don't
>>
>>think the CDT is in danger of receiving significant
>>
>>stock use except in areas where it's already
>>
>>established (i.e. Bob Marshall Wilderness, Wind Rivers
>>
>>etc). To the best of my knowledge, no thru-ride of
>>
>>the CDT has ever been completed and it may not happen
>>
>>this year :) The trail is simply too challenging for
>>
>>the stock themselves for many to attempt it. Hikers
>>
>>will always be the dominant presence on the CDT.
>>
>>
>>
>>I have been frustrated for much of this trail because
>>
>>of horse inaccesabilty. Until this point I haven't
>>
>>had much right to complain. I've been following Jim
>>
>>Wolf's route, and he makes no claim that his trail in
>>
>>southern New Mexico is horse friendly. In fact the
>>
>>number of times the phrase "squeeze through the
>>
>>tightly woven fence here" appeared let me know I'd be
>>
>>adding a lot of extra miles finding gates.
>>
>>
>>
>>However, the Zuni-Acoma is on the designated trail.
>>
>>Permanent trail routing decisions were made in Glacier
>>
>>based on stock accessability. Why not in New Mexico?
>>
>>I hope that the BLM can take horse users into
>>
>>consideration and perhaps have two routes through the
>>
>>area.
>>
>>
>>
>>Treehuggin' Cowgirl
>>
>>Erin Zwiener
>>
>>
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