[cdt-l] Stoves, shoes and layers

Jonathan Ley jonathan at phlumf.com
Wed May 16 13:51:48 CDT 2007

One the more interesting approaches I've seen was a guy on the PCT who just
cut a hole in a big black garbage bag, stuck his head through it, and let
the rest cover him & his pack like a poncho. He claimed it breathed really
well from underneath, and kept him dry. I think he had a hat to keep the
water from running down his neck too. 


Regarding those thin w/b jackets like the precip. I think one problem is
that they have a limited life. The inside of the jacket, where the w/b
membrane is, will rub against pressure points and wear-through pretty
quickly. 3-ply jackets (which have an additional layer on the inside) are
heavier, but are more durable. Of course, there are many other approaches to
staying dry - ponchos, umbrellas, etc. each have plusses & minuses. 




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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [cdt-l] Stoves, shoes and layers


The Sierra Design Peak Bagger is almost identical to the Precip and I ended
up sending mine home for EXACTLY the same reason during my AT thru.  The
so-called breatheable laminates do a great job of shedding light
intermittent rain      ...but get caught in a non-stop multi-day rain
situation and they totally soak out.  The outer layer, generally a ripstop
nylon doesn't absorb water per-se but during constant downpours the water
seems to somehow get trapped in the fiber.  The garments end up getting wet
and staying wet and once wet, they weigh a lot more than when dry.


For that reason, I personally switched to silnylon rainwear about 3 years
ago.  Yes, it's totally non-breathable and warm but it does keep the rain
off and does not soak off or get heavier.  Mine is vented enough to allow
some trapped body heat to escape and I typically only wear it during
sustained heavy rains. Plus, once the rain stops you shake it off and it
dries relatively quickly.



Karen Somers <kborski at yahoo.com> wrote:

Just a note on Marmot Precip rain gear, which a few
mentioned.....and which I should precede by saying
that I am generally a fan of Marmot gear. I think
they do an excellent job with most of their products. 
I carried a Marmot Goretex rain jacket on the AT and
that thing literally saved my life in the Whites.

However, I was firsthand witness to five thru-hikers
who ditched their Precip jackets in Oregon after four
days of rain on the PCT (including myself). We had to
actually hitch into Portland to the REI to buy WORKING
rain jackets, or risk our health by staying with the
soggy Precips. The Precips had performed fine in
light rain and warm weather -- through all of CA and
most of OR. But after that fourth day of 40-degree
rain in northern Oregon, we became official Precip

I don't know why my friends and I had such a bad
experience compared to so many other hikers, but I
wouldn't dare take a Precip on the CDT. When we
returned our jackets to REI, they were flabbergasted. 
I bought a The North Face Stormlight Goretex jacket. 
At 24 oz. it is definitely NOT lightweight, but I have
never EVER had it fail on me, even after eight solid
days of rain in Washington. 

At that time, I also bought a pair of zip-off Goretex
rain pants (also very heavy, but hey, we were so
miserable that I didn't care at that point), which I
was extremely skeptical about. I had never worn rain
pants much. Now, I LOVE those things. I can actually
hike in them -- I just zip down from the hip to aerate
when I start to sweat. They are very warm and cozy in
camp, but I won't be carrying them for all of the CDT.

I'm a big fan of Esbit stoves, but I think Bald Eagle
and I are planning to take an alcohol stove that we
recently built and tested based on the "Cat Stove"
design (do a Google search). It's very similar to
most other alcohol stoves, but it is particular about
base height being placed accurately above the flame to
maximize heat transfer. This height above flame seems
to be quite a bit higher than our last few stove
stands/bases, and it certainly boils stronger than the
others. Without this innovation, we had set our minds
on two smaller pots and Esbits. I still think Esbits
are a lot lighter than alcohol, but Eagle doesn't like
them. So, like most hiking couples, we learn to
compromise (esp. important since he does all the
cooking while I journal!).

Well, "D-day" at work yesterday ("disussion day"). 
They know what I've cooked up for this year, and now I
just have to wait and see if they'll help me out with
a leave of absence.

Regardless, I agree that June 15th cannot get here
soon enough.


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