[cdt-l] David Horton's planned speed hike
bruce at cdtrail.org
Tue Oct 2 12:46:14 CDT 2007
As many of you may be aware the Forest Service is seeking comments on a
Proposed Directive. Here are the CDTA's comments on Wilderness.
11. CDTA recommends locating the CDNST in Wilderness, as much as
possible. CDTA believes the nature and purpose of the CDNST is
consistent with the Wilderness Act, and that the primary uses, hiking
and horseback riding, are of traditional importance in the management
and use of Wilderness. CDTA also believes it is appropriate to construct
new trails in Wilderness to achieve the desired goals of the CDNST.
CDTA-22: CDTA agrees it is appropriate to locate the CDNST in
Wilderness, as much as possible. CDTA believes the nature and purpose
of the CDNST is consistent with the Wilderness Act, and that hiking and
equestrian trails are of traditional importance in the management and
use of Wilderness. CDTA also believes it is appropriate to construct new
trails in Wilderness to achieve the desired goals of the CDNST.
The CDNST Study report states "the legislative histories of both the
Wilderness Preservation Act and the National Trails System Act seem to
indicate that a National Scenic Trail designation in wilderness areas is
an appropriate aspect of both public programs." It further goes on to
state that foot and horseback trails are of traditional importance in
the management and use of wilderness. (Study Report, page 12)
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [cdt-l] David Horton's planned speed hike
Hello David and welcome to the CDT.
We first met at one of your masochist races (91) and then I contacted
you a few times when i was attempting a long run/hike in 2001/2002
Anyway it's good (IMO) that you are doing this BUT, of course there will
always be some controversy over this "official" thing.
Many of us CDT hikers don't want the trail to be a continous marked
footpath and enjoy the CDT for what it is: a hike to test your skills in
map reading, bushwhacking, water finding, route creating, and sometimes:
how far can i go before i have to head to town, among some.
Of course there are lots of "official trails"
Theres the CDTA (people who prefer to leave it out of wilderness
There's the CDTSociety's : Jim Wolfe's route which is probably the
in terms of putting the trail where it belongs in terms of scenery,
wilderness, water sources, etc.
Theres Jonathon Ley's : The one that i believe most thru-hikers now
because it's a cheaper option buying the maps.
Theres Backpacker Magazine (that dirt bike and 4 wheeler mag that is
trying to create their own route for some reason)
There's Ray Jardines (i remember he skipped a ton of beautiful scenery
so he could go past a Howard Johnsons near Grants, which completely
me off from his recommendations)
There's mine: Which changes every time i hike it and THAT's what
the CDT the BEST!
There's a hundred other peoples.
And there's yours. I hope you do lots of research cause you have a
The start: (not only 3 different places for northbounders, but
you have actual divide (private land), road walk (get used to that), and
some semi marked trail through desert that may get you good and lost
in the git-go.
Through the Gila,
Tierra Amarillo vs Jicarilla vs the hiway,
Creede cutoff (i understand neither Brian Robinson nor Squeaky took it
most of my friends have, simply cause they were northbounders and there
too much snow)
Coming into Winfield there's a few different possible routes, (tincup,
Red desert (of course i skipped most of CO which has many choices
but the Red Desert area of WY has lots of choices also. cut through
middle (not much water but probably not a concern for a supported hike)
to Rawlins and then cut through the middle (more water but of poor
or go the northerly route through the mtns. (Probably the most scenic
best but longer)
Through yellowstone: you have to go where they let you as there's often
Out of Mack's Inn; Jim Wolfe probably has the best here
Out of Lima (we searched for over a day to find our friend Sly in 2002
all the known routes and found out later we were close but theres' so
different ways to go.)
Anaconda cutoff: Again, not as close to the divide, or wilderness but
probably the route that most take (I believe)
Through the "Bob" (my favorite section) but so many choices (in
took a westerly route that was awesome because of too much snow (in
not official but compromises need to made on this trail almost daily.
Then of course through the most scenic NP in the lower 48: Through
And once again, you have to take what they give you for grizzly
as well as snow and bridges.
I am always a bit bummed when i see people more and more going out at
Chief Mountain takeout on the border as it makes for a boring, in the
non scenic finish to a great trail. when the Waterton Lakes finish
for THE MOST SPECTACULAR finish of any of the big 3!
(and there's a restaurant in the Canadian town there that has caribou on
Anyway, I'm not trying to turn you away from your goal of holding (at
different times) records for the 4 most popular trails in the US (west
coasters might argue the LT vs so many good ones in the west)
I think it's a grand goal, but i do believe you will have to do a lot
research and count on getting lost quite a bit. Possibly you'll have
people along who know the trail and will take you their favorite way.
It's a great trail. I know that you will get some flack from folks who
don't like doing it fast. I also know that you will catch more sunsets
sunrises then they will and see more wildlife because you will be out
when the wildlife is busy.
Have fun and hopefully i didn't piss too many people off with my ideas
Hi to all of you on the cdt-l. I am planning on doing the CDT in the
>summer of 2008. I am a ultra runner who lives in Lynchburg, VA. I
>previously set the speed record on the Long Trail, AT, and PCT. I
>on starting the CDT around June 5-10, 2008 at the Mexican border. I
>know that Squeaky set the record of 75 days in 2005 unsupported. I
>plan on doing it supported somewhere around 65 days, plus or minus 5
>days, depending on the length of the trail.
>I know that you are thinking, how can you set a record on a trail that
>is not complete or has various routes? I plan on hiking the official
>trail as much as possible and not taking any shortcuts.
>How long is the trail if I do it this way?? I hear the CDTA saying it
>is 3100 miles. When Squeaky and Flyin Brian did it, they both
>I know I have a lot to learn and I look forward to learning from many
>I love the trails
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