[Cdt-l] mountain lions and wolves
jonathan at phlumf.com
Fri Jul 11 17:50:21 CDT 2008
Thanks for the insights... I feel similarly. I don't think programs like
this can be successful without cooperation of the local population.
What'll end up happening is a lot of law-breaking, resentment,
mis-information, sabotage, and general polarization... that's not good
for anyone. I just hope some way can be found to keep a couple
sustainable populations of gray wolves going somewhere, so they don't
completely vanish from existence. Someday - maybe even 100 years from
now - conditions on the ground might be different & more favorable to
their wider re-introduction.
Now, what about those Jaguar sightings? ;-)
> Neal wrote:
> >>It seems that public opinion (or some large part of it) in New Mexico
> (and the rest of the CDT?) is permanently hostile to wolves, mountain
> lions etc...I can't imagine what would happen if there was an attempt
> to introduce Grizzly Bears back into the Gila.
> Public opinion in the affected communities is at odds with the broader
> pro-wolf consensus. It's entirely understandable, and it goes back
> generations among area ranchers, many of whom are related to those who
> killed off the Mexican gray wolf in the first place.
> To the extent that one is willing to accept their premise - that
> wolves are incompatible with a ranching economy, and that ranchers
> have a right to defend their livelihood - the environmentalist's
> arguments for wolf reintroduction become harder to defend on the
> ground in a place like Reserve or Glenwood. The wolf
> "re-introductionists" counter that ranchers could do more to reduce
> enticements for wolves to predate cattle (such as removal of
> natural-death cattle carcasses from the backcountry, where some
> suggest wolves first learn to associate cows with an easy meal).
> Ranchers that I've spoken with are quick to point out that wolves have
> always been intelligent, opportunistic pack hunters, and that nothing
> is likely to keep them away from cattle short of the wholesale removal
> of cattle from the land. They feel, and perhaps rightly so, that the
> Mexican gray wolf reintroduction program was foisted upon them by
> idealistic outsiders with expectations of grandeur and little regard
> for the human part of the equation.
> I find myself empathetic to both sides. The successful return of the
> wolf to the Southwest is an exciting prospect, but unfortunately it
> simply seems unrealistic to assume that wolves and cowboys in this
> region of wild land dotted with small ranching communities can coexist
> in numbers with sustainable prosperity for each. The wolf was likely
> doomed at the original settling, though I'm all for seeing the
> experiment through, with a greater spirit of tolerance to the plight
> of all concerned parties.
> To their credit, many ranchers I've spoken with feel very differently
> about mountain lions, both because cattle predation is simply less in
> the nature of big cats than of wolves, and for the cougar's furtive
> and solitary ways. "You gotta respect an animal that kills quietly and
> cleanly like that," one rancher related.
> - blisterfree
> Neal Leavitt wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> When I went through southern New Mexico in June, I received an earful
>> from folks about wolves and mountain lions...
>> One rancher told me that he lost "30 %" of his calves from wolves in
>> the past year. He was also convinced that the EPA was engaged in a
>> plot to push all New Mexicans off of their ranches through the Mexican
>> Grey Wolf program...The librarian in Reserve was convinced that wolves
>> were a threat...the owner of the Rode Inn told me she felt they should
>> be removed...and a ranger in the Gila said wolves with collars were
>> disappearing, collar and all; they had a $10,000 reward posted for
>> information leading to the arrest of a person who had harmed a wolf.
>> It seems that public opinion (or some large part of it) in New Mexico
>> (and the rest of the CDT?) is permanently hostile to wolves, mountain
>> lions etc...I can't imagine what would happen if there was an attempt
>> to introduce Grizzly Bears back into the Gila.
>> I feel very bad for the man killed by the mountain lion and his
>> family...and I feel bad for the animals. Everyone loses when this
>> As for me, I saw either a wolf or a coyote north of Snow Lake. It was
>> trailing some dear that had passed by a minute earlier. When it saw
>> me, it fled. If anyone can help with identifying it I would really
>> appreciate it - I was able to get one photo, albeit at a good
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