[Cdt-l] Routes

Sly hikertrash at gmail.com
Wed Jan 7 15:10:18 CST 2009

One other thing I'd like to mention.  I followed the CDTS route through 
NM including the "horrible" bushwhack over Tadpole Ridge.   It wasn't 
all that bad.   Wet feet up the Middle Folk, phffft... it's the CDT! 



Brett wrote:
> >>The official trail is long and dry, it had fire damage which has 
> been reported to be cleaned up, but still gets almost no thur hiker 
> traffic.
> I haven't hiked the entire Black Range route, but 50 miles or so 
> between Reeds Meadow area and Wahoo Peak, several years running. The 
> almost-no-traffic claim rings true, despite the considerable miles of 
> newly built and signed CDT here. But the reasons Jim sights are more 
> the reverse of popular conceptions: the trail isn't so problematically 
> dry as to be impractical to hike, but suffers more from a perceived 
> lack of information that perpetuates the rumor mill. Fire damage, on 
> the other hand, remains a problem, especially south of Diamond Peak 
> from what I understand, although maintenance performed earlier this 
> decade north of Reeds is also in need of a refresh at this point. 
> Blowdowns and aspen/rose thorn brush will be part of the post-burn 
> dynamic here for some years yet. The fire damage is sporadic but 
> noteworthy. It looks like the CDT is also being rerouted in at least 
> one area, as though new construction was deemed easier than ongoing 
> maintenance, which seems telling.
> If the trail crews will keep at it, and also finish the trail 
> northwest of the Black Range which is reportedly very confusing to 
> follow, the official Divide route could start to attract more use. 
> Where it's good now, it's almost pinch-yourself good, seeing new trail 
> and official CDT markers in remote country that few have seen.
> - Brett
> Jim Eagleton wrote:
>> I highly recommend the Crazy Cook route, especially for NOBO's. 
>> For sobo's, you are self important triple crowners who aren't going 
>> to listen to advice , and are too beat up to take the scenic route, 
>> just follow pavement south from Silver City.  Actually, there is an 
>> unfortunate logistical problem for sobo's.  From the border it is a 
>> full day to a crumby hitch and a couple of days back to a major 
>> road.  I can understand how this would be considered an anticlimactic 
>> finish, unless you have someone picking you up. 
>> NOBO's should try to car pool or contact Sam Hughes, or other 
>> shuttler, and start at Crazy Cook.  Good to hear the road walk south 
>> of Silver City has been eliminated. 
>> North of Silver City is the worst route choice on the trail.  1)  The 
>> official trail is long and dry, it had fire damage which has been 
>> reported to be cleaned up, but still gets almost no thur hiker 
>> traffic.  It is possibly a reasonable option, but I can't recommend 
>> it unless better water info becomes available. 
>> 2)  The Ley route has a horrible bushwack UP Tadpole Ridge.  This 
>> route should be avoided by any sane hiker.  It has the advantage and 
>> disadvantage of many fords of the Lower Gila (southern part).  These 
>> fords may be ok in the fall, but are an extra day of wet feet, going 
>> upstream, in colder/higher water for nobo's.  3)  Many people take 
>> one of the road (Wolfe) routes until north (northeast) of Silver City 
>> and then take the trail over the top of Tadpole Ridge (avoiding the 
>> bushwack).  This sets up the cutoff mentality and you can save 
>> further effort on: the Creed cutoff, the Mack Inn cutoff, and the 
>> Anaconda cutoff.  4)  I followed Boston and Cubby's route out of 
>> Silver City to Doc Campbell's:  I followed the road out of Silver 
>> City past the Monastery, picked up the official trail which goes a 
>> little east, then came back to the road to Doc Campbell's on the 
>> Military trail.  There is still 5 to 7 miles of road walk (down hill) 
>> at the end.  Also, there is a new building that will make private 
>> property a big issue around the Monastery.  If you do not take the 
>> short cut past the Monastery, and especially if you take the official 
>> trail all the way from Silver City, you have a very dry day and a half. 
>> The best training is to have my fellow Philadelphian and fellow Jim 
>> pour you a pint.  He now does it at The Anderson on the Black Isle.  
>> I'll be there in August.
>> Melanie:  The weather window is between southern CO and Glacier, and 
>> last year the window was very tight.  So, skipping CO does not do 
>> much good unless you start late and do NM in the hotter and later 
>> spring.  It might be better to start in Glacier at the end of the 
>> sobo season, ca July 4, and then skip CO in Sept, going right to NM.  
>> I flipped up to South Pass City and hiked south thru CO.  You could 
>> get off at Steamboat? or much more easily at Estes Park, (hiking over 
>> the divide in Rock Mt Nat. Pk, which I have also done.) 
>> Rambler
>> >>
>> > 1. Re: 2009 CDT hikers - crazy cook or columbus? (Brian Dickson)
>> > 2. Re: 2009 CDT hikers - crazy cook or columbus? (Bob)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:00:01 +0000 (GMT)
>> > From: Brian Dickson <briansolar1 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] 2009 CDT hikers - crazy cook or columbus?
>> > To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
>> > Message-ID: <2750.13511.qm at web27201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Myself, Brian and my wife, Martina are aiming to hike northbound 
>> this year too. We live in Scotland and are flying into Denver on 
>> April 13th and aim to start around?April 20th from either crazy cook 
>> or columbus NM. We haven't sorted out how we will get there yet!
>> > ?
>> ...> ?
>> > Brian Dickson
>> > Black Isle, Scotland
>> > www.pbase.com/briansolar1
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 6/1/09, Melanie Simmerman <jennylind50 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Melanie Simmerman <jennylind50 at yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: [Cdt-l] 2009 CDT hikers
>> > To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
>> > Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 7:49 PM
>> >
>> > Hello, 2009 CDTers
>> > I'm wondering who all is hiking this year and in which direction? I am
>> > planning a northbound, sort of, hike. At any rate, I'm starting in NM
>> > (haven't finalized which terminus-Cook Monument or Columbus) in 
>> late April
>> > sometime - don't have the exact date yet.
>> >
>> > I've pretty much done Colorado section-hiking and don't plan to re-hike
>> > what I've done, which means either flipping up to Glacier and going 
>> south,
>> > or if possible continuing northbound in Wyoming (if that's 
>> possible?). Has
>> > anyone out there done that? What are conditions usually like in 
>> Wyoming in early
>> > June? It would be kind of nice to be in Glacier late summer/early 
>> fall and not
>> > in snow.
>> >
>> ....
>> >
>> > Hope to see some of you out there!
>> > Melanie ("Lemstar" AT96, PCT02)
>> >
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