[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 9

Patricia Mazzolini pmazzolini at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 3 13:51:05 CST 2010

Just to add a few thoughts- Long distance hiking is ultimately about 
freedom-from everyday societal/familial worries, as well as our own individual 
interactions with the forces of nature that surround you on your hike-that can 
be spiritual or religous if one is so inclined or perhaps even scientific--you 
can fill in the blank. Not for one of us can speak for all. I am certain however 
that most of us that thrive on it do it because it just feels intensely good to 
travel the miles, meet the challenge and be immersed in the natural world. The 
technology debate will probably only intensify as we leapfrog ahead in the 
coming years. I think it is important for all to hike as they wish-including 
assuming however much risk we want. I don't want to be mandated and dislike the 
NPS sections for that reason, but on the other hand I understand their reasons 
for doing so-when you get that much use in certain areas they have to set the 
rules to the lowest common denominator in order to minimize harm and expensive 
remediation. I enjoy the freedom of being out of touch, but have also enjoyed 
touching base with loved ones via cell phone. This summer in the Gila my son 
found a spot someone had lost that spring-it had his address on it so we got it 
back to its owner. Ultimately we get outside for adventure-not safety although 
if you did a rational risk analysis of LD hiking I bet it would be less risky 
than driving a car in overall injury and death frequency. I don't care what 
people want to carry, and I hiked in Gros Morne cross country 15 years ago 
without any devices and spent a memorable day and a half fogged in at a camp 
without water amid the tuckamore before GPS and cell phones and Spots. The 
Edward Abbey quote sums it up very nicely-free to go do it your own way. I for 
one will be attached to my compass but I still try to figure my sense of 
direction and sense of where I need to go without it. -Plastic

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  1. Re: Fwd:  See SPOT run... (Mike Cunningham)


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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 09:34:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Fwd:  See SPOT run...
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net, jonathan at phlumf.com
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The animosity is not to the technology. It is to the idea that we?MUST carry 
them and must always be available. I have a cell phone & often carry it on 
hikes. I sometimes even turn it on. 

I have a gps. Once in a while I even use it. I also have a compass on my? 
watchband. When I hike in an unfamiliar area I almost always have a map. I 
almost always have enough with me to survive an unexpected?night out.
I am personally amazed at people I see out hiking who have no pack, no map, and 
often no idea of where they really are. These are the people who call SAR for 
trivial reasons that you & I would hike out of.

--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Jonathan Ley <jonathan at phlumf.com> wrote:

From: Jonathan Ley <jonathan at phlumf.com>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Fwd: See SPOT run...
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 11:48 AM

I'm not sure I understand the animosity to technology... I mean, goretex, nylon, 
pop-tarts... they're all only possible because of very complex technology. So 
are all the maps and other trail navigation information anyone produces. As for 
being connected - people have online journals they update at each town stop - 
sometimes each day. They have cell phones... Isn't a SPOT just a better 
implementation of a cell/satellite phone? People don't complain too much about 
being connected via e-mail or cell phones (well, some do), so what magical 
threshold does a SPOT cross? Should we all be wearing animal skins, and eating 
game we shot with our bow & arrow? Writing journals in caves with finger paint?

These are all tools. Sure, they can turn into a crutch or be abused like any 
other tool, but they can also be life-savers. I've seen similar arguments about 
avalanche beacons (and we'll likely hear those all again this winter). In all 
these cases, there seems to be one constant - your most important equipment is 
inside your skull.? Any tool can be abused by a moron who doesn't know how to 
use it. If someone presses the SPOT button because they have a blister, or gets 
hypothermic because they wrongly thought their new jacket will protect them, or 
wanders across a dangerous avalanche path because they thought a beacon would 
save them... the fault isn't with the tool, it's with the person using it. 

Personally, I probably wouldn't use a SPOT on the CDT just because I'm cheap, 
and don't feel like carrying yet another thing. Instead, I'd make sure that 
someone (someone who isn't paranoid) had my itinerary, and I'd check in at each 
stop... I think that's what most people do. But, I could envision taking a trip 
to more remote locales where a SPOT would be welcome... and I'd be happy to hike 
on the CDT with someone who had a SPOT - heck, more insurance, and I don't have 
to pay or carry the thing. 

On 12/3/2010 7:51 AM, ks1007 at aol.com wrote: 

I don't think that I have seen it written anywhere that all MUST carry a SPOT 
but after seeing it in person actually saving a human (and 2 goats) lives it 
sure makes me wonder about the value of someones life not having it along just 
in case it's needed especially if you are hiking solo - there is also nothing 
that says you need to "ping" nightly or at all - rudy (cupcake) learned the hard 
way about giving his family his itinerary - if he didn't ping them they got 
worried and called the place where "he should be" next - we got a call from 
Paris, France and so did julie in san lorenzo - I told him to not give out his 
itinerary of where and when he should be next that he would just call when he 
got there but he still had the SPOT just in case
fine - you don't want to carry one then don't - your choice - but don't try to 
sway others by saying they will lose their "freedom" by carrying one

el coyote
Keith and Mary
Trail Angels
Deming, NM

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From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
To: matthew lee <heymatthewlee at gmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] See SPOT run...

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ps. maybe the article resonates less now that your website has them as sponsor? 

Paul "Mags" Magnanti
The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust 
caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched

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