[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 30, Issue 8

Fri Mar 12 07:56:44 CST 2010

Happy Sunrise to All -

Just a gentle reminder - try to shoot some dough Jonathan Ley's

way if you're using his "free" maps.  They're worth it, and he's put a

tremendous amount of work into them, which continues to this day.

Regards,

Rich B.

Nobohobo/Blister Boy/Low and Slow

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> 2. rockert path pics! (Paul Magnanti)
> 3. Re: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 30, Issue 7 (Dylan Carlson)
> 4. Maps & Guidebooks (Jonathan Ley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:03:08 +0000
> From: "Ellie" <sidselliott at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 30, Issue 7
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> I bought both the Ley guides and Wolf maps, and ended up only using the Ley maps.
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> 1. rocker patch pics! (lint at riseup.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:25:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: lint at riseup.net
> Subject: [Cdt-l] rocker patch pics!
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> Jonathan Ley posted pics of the rocker patches on his website! Click the
> link below. Thanks buddy!
> 
> http://www.phlumf.com/travels/cdt/cdtpatches.shtml
> 
> As you can see, the rockers fit nicely under the CDT and CT patches. The
> CT rocker is a lighter shade of green than the official CT patch, but
> whatever. It's the closest I could get, and it'll get dirty soon; nobody
> will ever know the difference. It was worth it to have my vest outfitted
> with all the rockers so everyone on the streets of Portland can see them
> and think "What the f does that filthy guy on the tallbike have on his
> back? What is he, in some kind of gang?"
> 
> Yes...I am. Our gang is HIKER TRASH, and we will drink all your beer and
> sleep in your yard. Like the Hells Angels, but way hungrier and much more
> polite!
> 
> xoxo,
> 
> Lint
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:28:16 +0100
> From: Rudy Gu?naire <rudyguenaire at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Cdt-l] Ley's maps and Wolf Guides
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> Hi everybody,
> 
> I have just received the 2010 Ley's maps. They are amazing. Many thanks to
> you Jonathan !
> 
> I'm planning to buy the Wolf guides, I'm student and they are quite
> expensive. Is it really necessary since Ley's maps offer many notes ?
> 
> 
> Rudy
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> Ellie Thomas
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:00:12 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Cdt-l] rockert path pics!
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> Pretty cool!
> 
> It is like the hiker trash version of "Wicked cool bumpah stickahs"...
> 
> The CTF also sells a completion patch..(but the rocker/CT patch combo is cooler looking! :D)
> http://www.coloradotrail.org/images/store_images/completepatch.jpg
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:02:28 -0800
> From: Dylan Carlson <carlsods at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 30, Issue 7
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> Rudy, ?I posted the following comment in December 2009. ?I hope it
> helps you, too:
> 
> Dylan Carlson
> CDT NOBO 2009
> 
> Heading northbound, I used the?Wolf?Guides (somewhat useful) and Ley
> Maps (indispensable.)
> 
> Reading the guidebooks backward was a pain, but completely do-able.? I
> found the sections regarding water in NM especially useful.
> 
> Moreover, the cultural and historical notes in the?Wolf?Guides were
> quite interesting.? I enjoyed learning about the area I was hiking
> through.
> 
> Overall, however, if had it to do over again, I WOULD NOT purchase the
> Wolf?Guides.? At $100+ dollars, they are less useful than Jonathan
> Ley's free maps.? You would be better off investing that money in a
> GPS or forest service maps.
> 
> Finally, in case it hasn't been drilled into you yet, DO NOT purchase
> the "official" CDTA guidebooks.
> 
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:28:16 +0100
> > From: Rudy Gu?naire <rudyguenaire at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Cdt-l] Ley's maps and Wolf Guides
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I have just received the 2010 Ley's maps. They are amazing. Many thanks to
> > you Jonathan !
> >
> > I'm planning to buy the Wolf guides, I'm student and they are quite
> > expensive. Is it really necessary since Ley's maps offer many notes ?
> >
> >
> > Rudy
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:27:03 -0800
> From: Jonathan Ley <jonathan at phlumf.com>
> Subject: [Cdt-l] Maps & Guidebooks
> To: CDT MailingList <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
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> 
> I think it really depends on how you learn about and navigate the world. 
> Not sure if anyone here has studied different learning/communicating 
> styles, but I think this has a lot of relevance:
> 
> http://people.usd.edu/~bwjames/tut/learning-style/styleres.html 
> <http://people.usd.edu/%7Ebwjames/tut/learning-style/styleres.html>
> Many people are primarily visual, in which case the maps alone might 
> work. Others are more auditory or kinesthetic learners, who might work 
> better with a textual description of where the trail goes.
> 
> Think about this... When someone asks directions from you, do you draw 
> them a map? Or tell them where to turn? 
> 
> When you are driving around in the city, do you feel more comfortable 
> looking at maps? Or reading directions?
> 
> If you catch a bus, do you need to know exactly which streets the bus is 
> going down in order to figure out where you're going? Or do you just 
> rely on the names of the stops?
> 
> Personally, I'm a much more visually-oriented person. For instance, when 
> I print out directions from google-maps of where I'm trying to go, I 
> only print the map, and could care less about the turn-by-turn 
> directions. Others are just the opposite.
> 
> When I was on the PCT, I never read the trail descriptions. I just used 
> the little guidebook maps. I would meet some other hikers and if they 
> asked about some point on the trail, I'd point to the map. They'd 
> reference some mile-point, or description that was in the guidebook. I 
> could never figure out why they'd make it so hard on themselves to 
> navigate that way. But, I've come to the conclusion that it just matched 
> their learning style better. Or, maybe I'm just a crackpot ;-)
> 
> So, either or both approaches are good for different people -- we all 
> have to hike our own hike. One thing though... out on a trail like the 
> CDT, you do really need a map, as if you get off-route, directions won't 
> help much. However, if you're not primarily a visual thinker, reading 
> and using a map is likely to be harder for you. It's something you'll 
> probably need to practice a lot to get right. There are a lot of books 
> out there about navigation... I always recommend "Staying Found" by June 
> Fleming, as I found it very well put together, and readable:
> http://www.amazon.com/Staying-Found-Complete-Compass-Handbook/dp/0898867851
> Also the mantra here is to "stay found" -- i.e. the key to not getting 
> lost is to always know where you are. Always. With every step (i.e. no 
> putting your head down for hours and getting lost in some iPod music 
> then hours later trying to figure out where you went wrong). Not quite 
> as easy as it sounds...
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> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:18:28 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Brian Dickson <briansolar1 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Maps & Guidebooks
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> I agree with Jonathan and I am definately a visual person and love maps. 
> 
> However I found in New Mexico that Jim Wolf's guides?provided excellent additional navigation information to the maps. Sometimes you need all the info you can get when there is a series of faint jeep tracks going in different directions. I think most would agree that New Mexico has probably the greatest potential for getting lost on the trail and one area where Jonathans maps are slightly weak is that they don't always indicate a change in trail from say dirt road to faint trail. The Wolf guides might just stop you getting lost in these cases. I used both in NM constantly and we were lost very few times.
> 
> As Jonathan writes though, you?also should?keep refering to them as you hike- keep them handy and know where you are at any given time. Navigation is good fun too!
> 
> So for these reasons I would recommend buying and reading the Jim Wolf guides for New Mexico at least. They are also a great read with heaps of interesting background information.
> 
> brian
> www.pbase.com/briansolar1
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jonathan Ley <jonathan at phlumf.com>
> To: CDT MailingList Sent: Fri, 12 March, 2010 4:27:03
> Subject: [Cdt-l] Maps & Guidebooks
> 
> 
> I think it really depends on how you learn about and navigate the world. Not sure if anyone here has studied different learning/communicating styles, but I think this has a lot of relevance:
> 
> http://people.usd.edu/~bwjames/tut/learning-style/styleres.html
> Many people are primarily visual, in which case the maps alone might work. Others are more auditory or kinesthetic learners, who might work better with a textual description of where the trail goes. 
> Think about this? When someone asks directions from you, do you draw them a map? Or tell them where to turn? ?
> When you are driving around in the city, do you feel more comfortable looking at maps? Or reading directions? 
> If you catch a bus, do you need to know exactly which streets the bus is going down in order to figure out where you?re going? Or do you just rely on the names of the stops? 
> Personally, I?m a much more visually-oriented person. For instance, when I print out directions from google-maps of where I?m trying to go, I only print the map, and could care less about the turn-by-turn directions. Others are just the opposite. 
> When I was on the PCT, I never read the trail descriptions. I just used the little guidebook maps. I would meet some other hikers and if they asked about some point on the trail, I?d point to the map. They?d reference some mile-point, or description that was in the guidebook. I could never figure out why they?d make it so hard on themselves to navigate that way. But, I?ve come to the conclusion that it just matched their learning style better. Or, maybe I'm just a crackpot ;-)
> 
> So, either or both approaches are good for different people ? we all have to hike our own hike. One thing though? out on a trail like the CDT, you do really need a map, as if you get off-route, directions won?t help much. However, if you?re not primarily a visual thinker, reading and using a map is likely to be harder for you. It?s something you?ll probably need to practice a lot to get right. There are a lot of books out there about navigation? I always recommend ?Staying Found? by June Fleming, as I found it very well put together, and readable:
> http://www.amazon.com/Staying-Found-Complete-Compass-Handbook/dp/0898867851
> Also the mantra here is to ?stay found? ? i.e. the key to not getting lost is to always know where you are. Always. With every step (i.e. no putting your head down for hours and getting lost in some iPod music then hours later trying to figure out where you went wrong).? Not quite as easy as it sounds... 
> 
> 
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