[Cdt-l] Fwd: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 4

ks1007 at aol.com ks1007 at aol.com
Thu Jan 6 23:14:38 CST 2011


we have a green rattlesnake here that is aggressive - they have been known to move towards people


el coyote
Keith and Mary
Trail Angels
Deming, NM



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Just my two cents on rattlesnakes- Snakes are blind just prior to shedding their 
skins when the spectacle which is the translucent scale that covers their 
yeball turns milky during this time they remain quiet unless disturbed. Once 
he skin is shed they can see clearly and begin to move about again. Snakes also 
shed their skins on a variable schedule which varies with their food intake. 
ast growing snakes-ie those who are ingesting alot of prey items-shed more 
requently. Rattlesnake venom causes tissue necrosis, swelling and sloughing of 
issue in animals as well as red blood cell abnormalities and low platlets which 
can lead to problems.The mojave rattlesnake adds in a neurotoxin as well, which 
s what the coral snake has. Most reptiles are the most active they will be 
uring the mating season and after summer moonson rains. The aggressiveness of 
ny individual rattlesnake is a function of its species and its body 
emperature. Most importantly rattlesnakes are not out to bite humans but are 
iting defensively if you inadvertantly place your hand or foot too close. Thank 
goodness they do rattle as a warning. I have had rattlesnakes rattle from a 
istance of 20 feet or so or as I almost stepped on one not seeing it but it did 
not strike. A cold diamondback youngster I encountered in November in a pocket 
f cliff did not even move much less rattle when I had placed my hand in a hold 
nd drew up even with it on a bank on a cold day in Bandelier National Monument 
n NM. Rattlesnakes eat  tremendous amounts of rodents and are an essential part 
of the ecosystems they occur in. They are never out to bite humans except in 
elf defense-Hollywood movies to the contrary. Plastic

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oday's Topics:
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 2. Heavy Snowpack in Colorado (Rich Brown)
 3. Fwd:  Heavy Snowpack in Colorado (ks1007 at aol.com)

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I was packing my tent in MT last year and turned around to find a black bull and 
cow literally standing 10 yards away staring at me.
The cow was more skittish, but the bull proceeded to pilfer my belongings until 
 "fussed" loudly...the devil!
llie
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On 1/1/2011 8:01 PM, Ed Kerr wrote:
attle are peculiar creatures, so different from breed to breed and 
anch to ranch.  I have some cattle that are very wild and will run when 
hey see you from a distance, and then I have cows that will stand there 
nd let you ride or walk almost right up to them.  If you watch the 
ovie, Temple Grandin, it does a good job in one scene where she lays 
own in the corral and the cattle dome up to her and gather all around 
er.  As curiousity kills the cat, cattle are very curious if they don't 
eel threatened.  That flight signal in them is very strong and seems 
ore reactive to movement on "the intruder's" part than anything.  If 
ou are still, or move very slowly you can approach are get very close, 
ut a quick step, making noise, or even flap your coattail, it will 
ause a fast flight response in a lot of cattle.
On rattlesnakes:  Cattle are seldom bitten by a snake, but when they 
re it is usually in the head or neck, i.e. the grazing animal is slowly 
oving along eating and accidentally provokes an unsuspecting snake, 
hich bites.  In my lifetime of being around cattle I have only two 
nakebit cows, but both cases survived although the swelling in 
heir head and neck was huge and turned hard and they were along time 
ecuperating.  A few years ago I had two yearling colts in the corral at 
y house, I never saw the snake but they both got snakebit in the nose, 
bviuosly their curiousity almost got them,  they must have both been 
urious not knowing what they were looking at and actually reached down 
o smell the snake and got bit.  They both survived but the one I really 
ot worried was going to strangle from swelling in the nose and throat.
Now, rattlesnakes here are the most dangerous in August, because they 
re blinded after shedding their skin, so being blind most snakes will 
ot rattle, but are listening to locate your approach, which if you are 
ot watching, will result in either stepping on or near the snake which 
isks being bit.  The ones that don't do this, react by being very 
ggressive and start rattling when they first here your step....I 
ppreciate those much more.  I never walk outside unless I am 
atching the ground where I place my foot.
Has there been much interaction on the CDT with rattlesnakes?
have a great day.
*Ed "Bim" Kerr*
Kerr Ranch Tours*
dkerr52 at hotmail.com <mailto:edkerr52 at hotmail.com>
575.313.2606*
www.kerrranchtours.com <http://www.kerrranchtours.com/>


 I'd just spooked a bunch of cows in the draw
 before climbing up the ridge.  While I was setting up my pad and
 sleeping bag in the tent, seventeen of them lined up side by side about
 50 yards away staring toward my tent as if to say, "What do you think
 you're doing here."  Sadly they wondered off before I got a chance to
 snap a picture.
 --Handlebar

t seems they do this whenever the light is insufficient to know exactly 
hat you are and what you're up to. I've never witnessed this behavior 
n broad daylight; in fact it's the antithesis of the "every cow for 
erself" scattering that usually occurs by day. What's more, the cows 
ill actually follow you sometimes, if you're night hiking, always 
aintaining a certain distance behind you, stopping when you stop, 
esuming when you move again. I imagine it's a genetic thing, dating 
ack to a time when their wild ancestors encountered large predators in 
frica and Europe, etc. It may yet serve them well, particularly in 
rizona where mountain lion predations are sometimes a concern.
I'm curious as to whether rattlesnakes are a concern for cattle. Do they 
espond to the sight or sound of snakes? What are the consequences of 
nakebite in this case? The story goes that poisonous snakes evolved the 
attle as a form of advertisement to large grazing animals, in order to 
void confrontation and the risk of being stepped on. But what are the 
dds of a hiker ever getting to find out firsthand how such an encounter 
ould play out?
- blisterfree

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rticle and maps fyi.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17021539
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like I said - la nina is sending almost all storms north to CO - very little 
now in the gila's

l coyote
eith and Mary
rail Angels
eming, NM

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rticle and maps fyi.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17021539
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