[Cdt-l] yellowstone

Eric Whte ericshawwhite at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 13 10:13:31 CST 2011

Don't pay anything in advance, Instead call in from Brooks Lake Lodge - get a 
'plausible' schedule over the phone within 48 hours. You'll be hitting the 
southern border of the Park within that time frame. You'll  get your permit 
number by phone. Then just do it. Two of us did this in July 2009 and changed 
our camp sites without any problem. They aren't utilized very much in the 
southern portion of the Park.
1) the 'way back country' campsites were empty or not crowded because of 
2) a back country ranger was helpful and can call in changes for you, but we 
avoided the station at Heart Lake - where a ranger might check your permit 
(which you will have via telephone).
3) the Ranger Station at Old Faithful for permits was a nightmare of tourists 
standing in line and the clerk was disinterested in CDT hikers. Don't bother to 
do it in person.
4) if you arrive at Yellowstone outside of peak season you won't have any 
problem, but in Mid to late July the closer you get to Old Faithful, the 
'fuller' the capsites will be. Eric White

From: Patricia Mazzolini <pmazzolini at yahoo.com>
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:37:30 PM
Subject: [Cdt-l] yellowstone

I would like to get some feedback on how folks have handled the permit system at 

yellowstone. We are planning a CDT section hike from Togowotee pass through the 
Cenntenial mountain segment on the Montana Idaho border this year. I have gotten 

on the Yellowstone NP website and it seems you must get the permit or finalize 
the reservation within 48 hours of the start of your hike? That seems like it 
would make it very impractical in terms of hiking either north or south, 
hitching out to the west or south entrance then hitching back to get to the 
trail and enter the park within 48 hours (really more like impossible given a 
13-14/mile/day average pace. Am I misreading this or do they allow you to obtain 

your permit greater than 48hours in advance or confirm your reservation? I have 
spoken with another CDT hiker who got alot of grief from a ranger about being 
off schedule and not at the right campsite at the right time. Also do you all 
think you need the advance reservation or do they keep enough walk in permits on 

hand to make the reservation uneeded? Lastly part of the route does not open 
until July 1, and the website states could be later depending on conditions-have 

any of you encountered problems with this opening occuring later? Any tips or 
feedback would be appreciated

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:32:41 -0500
From: Jim and_or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 9
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As I recall, we ran into one on the PCT and it was non-aggressive.  Only saw a 
few (VERY few) 

snakes on the CDT. 

OTOH, both my sons trained in the California desert and both of them came back 
with stories 

about the aggressiveness of the Mojave Green. 

Probably varies with the individual snake.  And the situation.  Just like 

Enjoy them - but DON'T play with them.  



Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:14:24 -0700
From: dthibaul07 at gmail.com
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 9

I've never found the Mojave Rattlesnake to be any more aggressive than most 
other rattlesnakes I've encountered (which are several - such as Western Diamond 

Back (which they are easily mistake with), Eastern Diamond Back, Sidewinder, 
Pacific Rattlesnake, Black tailed rattlesnake, and the rock rattlesnake).

I believe the aggressive stories about the Mojave (i.e. the green) generally 
spring from the fact that they have a more toxin venom.  I believe their 
aggressive reputation makes their story a little bit more exciting.

While I have run into a couple of aggressive rattlers (one a Mojave or green and 

one a western) I have run into many more that were pretty docile.  I don't 
actually think the term aggressive is correct either.  I'd say more 'ticked off' 

than aggressive.  

I've talked to a couple of herpetologist here is Arizona about this and they 
seemed to agree that they have this reputation with the general public for 
aggressiveness that is probably unjust.

Anyway, I attempt to leave them alone and they attempt to do the same with me.  
Although I probably enjoy seeing them more than they enjoy seeing me.

You can tell the difference between the Mojave (or green) and the Western 
Diamond back by the diamond back pattern on the back of the snake.  On the 
Mojave the pattern fades as it progresses to the tail.  Also the Mojave (or 
green) is not always green - it is brown a lot of the time.


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From: ks1007 at aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 00:14:38 -0500
Subject: [Cdt-l] Fwd: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 4

we have a green rattlesnake here that is aggressive - they have been known to 
move towards people

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