[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 9

Mike Cunningham hikermiker at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 13 11:26:23 CST 2011

Some 80% of all poisonous snakebites involve males between 18-25 and alcohol.
Nuff said.

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Eric Whte <ericshawwhite at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Eric Whte <ericshawwhite at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 9
To: "Jim and_or Ginny Owen" <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Cc: "CDT" <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 8:38 PM

I read a scientific study a few years ago that found: 
    80% of rattlesnake bites occuring in the study area in southern California were on the hand (as oppposed to the leg)! 
    I concluded that if you listen to them and don't taunt them, they won't bother you. Which has been my experience. Mini  Mart

From: Jim and_or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
To: dthibaul07 at gmail.com; cdt-l <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 2:32:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 9

As I recall, we ran into one on the PCT and it was non-aggressive.  Only saw a few (VERY few) 
snakes on the CDT. 
OTOH, both my sons trained in the California desert and both of them came back with stories 
about the aggressiveness of the Mojave Green. 
Probably varies with the individual snake.  And the situation.  Just like humans.   
Enjoy them - but DON'T play with them.  



Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:14:24 -0700
From: dthibaul07 at gmail.com
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 9

I've never found the Mojave Rattlesnake to be any more aggressive than most other rattlesnakes I've encountered (which are several - such as Western Diamond Back (which they are easily mistake with), Eastern Diamond Back, Sidewinder, Pacific Rattlesnake, Black tailed rattlesnake, and the rock rattlesnake).

I believe the aggressive stories about the Mojave (i.e. the green) generally spring from the fact that they have a more toxin venom.  I believe their aggressive reputation makes their story a little bit more exciting.

While I have run into a couple of aggressive rattlers (one a Mojave or green and one a western) I have run into many more that were pretty docile.  I don't actually think the term aggressive is correct either.  I'd say more 'ticked off' than aggressive.  

I've talked to a couple of herpetologist here is Arizona about this and they seemed to agree that they have this reputation with the general public for aggressiveness that is probably unjust.

Anyway, I attempt to leave them alone and they attempt to do the same with me.  Although I probably enjoy seeing them more than they enjoy seeing me.

You can tell the difference between the Mojave (or green) and the Western Diamond back by the diamond back pattern on the back of the snake.  On the Mojave the pattern fades as it progresses to the tail.  Also the Mojave (or green) is not always green - it is brown a lot of the time.


To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
From: ks1007 at aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 00:14:38 -0500
Subject: [Cdt-l] Fwd: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 4

we have a green rattlesnake here that is aggressive - they have been known to move towards people

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