[Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L

Jim and_or Ginny Owen spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com
Tue Jul 10 21:09:05 CDT 2012

AJ - If anyone waged war on CDTA, it would be me.  It took them 4 years to get around to the policy that CDTS adopted in 1979 - no motorized use on the CDT. There's more - a lot more, but it's all irrelevant now so your apparent defense of the organization is your problem and nobody else cares.   Cupcake - I didn't get his post, don't have a clue what he said - but he's been a friend, is a thruhiker, and just doesn't perpetrate the kind of attack you perceive.   Not sure why you think he pissed in your Wheaties, but, as you said, get over it - you're being a PITA.  And you're making the organization you support so vociferously look bad.   BTW, so far everyone you've attacked is a past thruhiker - are you?   Jim    

 From: wingnut.hiker at gmail.com
To: longhiker.pct at gmail.com; jimniedbalski at aol.com; cdt-l at backcountry.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:48:53 -0600
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L

This is true.  We need to have this discussion.  Thank You.   Wingnut From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Andrew
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:47 PM
To: jimniedbalski at aol.com; cdt-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L This is a crock.  You have thrived on user conflicts for years. You waged an incessant,  protracted war against CDTA.   What is amazing to me is that even after CDTA bit the dust, you can’t let it go.    The trail will be fine, I think, but you have become irrelevant.   AJ (longhiker)longhiker.pct at gmail.com From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of jimniedbalski at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:47 PM
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L   longhiker, perhaps you can read Cupcake's original post again. It was not a malicious attack on the MWA. he simply questioned the policy of bicycle and motorized use, and made it clear HE doesn't like it and questions the long-term impact of wheeled uses, both human and machine. In your opinion it is misguided -- that's fine -- but it wasn't rude or inappropriate. I bet lots of CDT supporters struggle with the bicycle/motorcycle issue.  I would also bet the MWA struggles with it as well, and it's doing the best it can.Jim-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew <longhiker.pct at gmail.com>
To: 'Mark Nienstaedt' <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>; cdt-l <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-LIt was not me that started this …    It was started by a totally misguided, malicious attack against one of the resources that is actually doing something to improve the CDT.      AJ (longhiker)longhiker.pct at gmail.com From: Mark Nienstaedt [mailto:mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:05 PM
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Cc: longhiker.pct at gmail.com
Subject: Civility on the CDT-L Longhiker I'm sure you are a fine person.  You should check your impulses to tell other hikers to "Get over it", "Stay home", & etc., and leave off sneering about "philosophers" on the CDT-L.  This is a public forum and the ethic ought to be civility.  I think your substantive point that the Montana Wilderness Association is a valued organization and deserving of hiker support was a good one.  But you were steadily undermining its impact with the extraneous comments.  We all belong within the hiker community and should feel welcome on trail.   We all support avoiding user conflicts.  It's too late in the game to keep motorized recreationalists off public lands.  But it is not too late to keep them off a silent, hiker dedicated CDT.  That ought to be our common goal. Buffalo Jump Sly!  AT '02, JMT '03, LT '05, PCT '11 & aspiring to the CDT 2013..._______________________________________________Cdt-l mailing listCdt-l at backcountry.nethttp://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l
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