[Cdt-l] MT maps / fires
Danandgailsc
danandgailsc at aol.com
Fri Jul 13 11:48:45 CDT 2012
I contacted the national forest office in Missoula, and ordered the maps I need for our sobo section hike ending at I-15. The maps will be delivered general delivery to the Butte post office.
The sales rep mentioned fires in MT south of Darby, MT. Does anyone on the list have information about that? I was not aware of any active fires in that area. We do have a son in Broadus, MT so are aware of the fires in southeastern MT.
Dan/Odometer
Gail/Gutsy
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1. Re: Wind River Range (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
2. How to get to Dubois? (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
3. Re: How to get to Dubois? (bcss at bresnan.net)
4. Re: How to get to Dubois? (Charlie Thorpe)
5. Re: How to get to Dubois? (Jonathan Ley)
6. Maps for southern MT section hike (Danandgailsc)
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ate: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:01:15 -0700
rom: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
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I hope I can meet you. I refer people to your site often. I'll be
here end of this month somewhere between Big Sandy and Green River
ake and maybe even up toward Dubois. I'll be hiking with Shroomer
nd a big bunch of people hanging with him.
n Jul 12, 2012, at 10:00 AM, cdt-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> ""Since you've been there, what is your opinion on driving to Big
Sandy??
in your own car? They outfitter said the road isn't really all that
bad and you could do it in a small car.""
FWIW, I went to this same trailhead previously. ?My friends and I
went up the road in question in a Mazda 626 with no difficulty.
Speaking of The Winds, I will be there at the end of this month for
a week.
Taking in some of the CDT, but also doing my own thing and off
trail in places.
Maybe I will see some of you out there.
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ate: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 06:35:23 -0700
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Sorry for all the questions. I really can't figure this out from the
aps. How do hikers typically get to Dubois from the CDT? I see no
rails that are continuous to where you can get to the spot Jonathan
ey shows. It's really out of the way from the CDT. I am going to
ike with some folks and thought they said they were going to Dubois
ut maybe they actually don't go there?
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There are two ways to get to Dubois, from Union Pass or from where you cross
ighway 287. Either way, you must hitch a ride. It's a good resupply after
he Winds heading north or after Yellowstone heading south. Union Pass is a
irt road but has quite a bit of traffic. If you hitch down Hwy 287, the
fficial route through Brooks Lake is a bit closer than Togwotee Pass. The
fficial route between Union Pass (Lake of the Woods) and Hwy 287 is one of
he most confusing spots on the entire CDT. If you go that way be sure to
ake a gps. The Wolf route is less confusing.
best wishes,
Jerry Brown
ailto:bcss at bresnan.net
ww.bearcreeksurvey.com
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Sorry for all the questions. I really can't figure this out from the maps.
ow do hikers typically get to Dubois from the CDT? I see no trails that are
ontinuous to where you can get to the spot Jonathan Ley shows. It's really
ut of the way from the CDT. I am going to hike with some folks and thought
hey said they were going to Dubois but maybe they actually don't go there?
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ate: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:55:18 -0500
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Hello Diane -
You asked:
> How do hikers typically get to Dubois from the CDT?
AFAIK, everybody hitches (except for the three horse folks with two horses that
met on the CDT just south of Green River Lakes campground...they were headed
or Dubois, but I am guessing that they probably didn't hitch <g>).
I am appending below a message I posted back in March about hitching into and
ut of Dubois....watch those thumbs!
- Charlie
Hello All -
CicelyB said:
> As a side note as I recall hitch hiking is illegal in the whole state of
yoming. Still did it and when in my ride did ask the drivers if they knew of
he law. The only ride that did was an off duty fireman who just didn't care.
I wonder if the driver who picks up a hitchhiker gets a ticket in WY or if it is
ust the hitchhiker?
I was standing at a great place to hitch just outside of Dubois, WY where the
-lane narrows down to a 2-lane on the north end of town (plenty of room to see
e from a distance and LOTS of room to safely pull over to pick me up). It was
arly Sunday morning and I was headed back up to the pass to get back on the
DT.
A black SUV drives up and the State Trooper inside waves me over so that he can
xplain that it is illegal to hitchhike in WY. There was a major speed trap set
p on US 287 and it turned out that I was trying to hitchhike right in the
iddle of it...
I asked him if he had any ideas on how I could get back up to the pass ("No,
roopers can't give rides to hikers") and he suggested walking up to the gas
tation about a half mile up the road and asking folks who pull in there for a
ide. Speed-trapping was obviously pretty slow that time of the morning - we
ot to talking and I asked him what it actually meant when the law says "no
itchhiking".
The Trooper said that act of hitchhiking in WY was defined to be standing by the
oad with your thumb out soliciting a ride from passing motorists. I asked if
tanding beside the road showing my "CDT" sign and looking pitiful (thumbs
arefully hidden) would be considered to be hitchhiking. He thought a minute
nd decided that, as far as he was concerned, it would not be hitchhiking and he
ould probably give me a ride if he was off-duty and in his own car.
He pulled off to nab more folks in a hurry to get to church and I started
alking to the gas station - more and more Troopers were showing up to man the
peed trap and I wasn't at all sure that they would interpret the law in the
ame way as that friendly Trooper did. I was walking along an adjacent parallel
treet and got about halfway to the gas station when a pickup pulled up behind
e to offer a ride up to the pass.
Turned out it was the fly fisherman (and his son) who had picked me up at the
ass and brought me down into Dubois in the first place. This neat guy (retired
chool superintendent from Casper who had a vacation cabin near Dubois) had
arlier seen me walking out to start hitching and then heard about the speed
rap at the restaurant where he got b'fast...he drove out to rescue me from the
lutches of the State Troopers.
I would enjoy distance hiking even if the trails weren't so enjoyable...just
etting a chance to meet neat folks and experience this kind of trail magic now
nd then would definitely be enough to keep me going!
- Charlie
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ate: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:31:54 -0700
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Maybe you're looking at one of the more "radical" alternates that I've drawn in
he northern wind river range? The one that goes over Shale Mtn, and comes out
t a trailhead near Ross Lake? That trailhead is a few miles south of Dubois -
n the opposite direction of Togwotee Pass. It's not a continuous route. But the
ed line is continuous... And as others mentioned, it's a bit of a hitch from
he cdt to Duvois.
Jonathan
On Jul 13, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
> Sorry for all the questions. I really can't figure this out from the
maps. How do hikers typically get to Dubois from the CDT? I see no
trails that are continuous to where you can get to the spot Jonathan
Ley shows. It's really out of the way from the CDT. I am going to
hike with some folks and thought they said they were going to Dubois
but maybe they actually don't go there?
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ate: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:54:06 -0400 (EDT)
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ubject: [Cdt-l] Maps for southern MT section hike
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oes anyone have the following maps that you are willing to sell and rush ship
o me? I need to receive by Wed., July 18 in SC.
Anaconda-Pintler Wilderness
arghee National Forest - Dubois and Island Park Ranger District
arghee National Forest - Island Park, Ashton, Teton Basin and Palisades Ranger
istrict
The map store I contacted has only one of these.
Thanks.
Dan/Odometer
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1. Montana Wilderness Association accepts bikes on the CDT
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K - Can't resist any longer.
s we know, the CDT isn't formalized, regulated (or finished) in the same way as
he AT and PCT. To a large extent this is due to its wilder nature, resisting
l things urbane and humanly contrived (other than the occasional mile or two
purpose-built trail). We paint onto this canvas what we will. Many
ru-hikers see in the trail's wilder nature a call for the upholding of
lderness virtues, even where Congress - in their foolishness, it could be -
de no such decree. Others see the CDT as the next big thing, a ball of clay
r them to mold as they please, perhaps in the direction of shared use
cluding bicycles, fully accommodated, wherever possible. This may even be
mebody's mission in life.
o which the measured response might be: let's respect the trail's historical
aracter and usage as we plow our way inevitably forward. Cyclists doing the
lk of the trail-building grunt-work in certain sections is a good thing, so
ng as the trail is constructed with the welfare of all user groups in mind.
is is to say, don't build the trail in an overly roundabout manner, at a
ronically gradual gradient (by common standards), or with various
coutrements aimed primarily at cyclists to the detriment of everyone else.
kers a d equestrians generally can't tolerate cycling-specific singletrack for
ry long, especially as the overt accommodation of cyclists tends to favor
avy adoption by that user group, further rendering the trail section unfit for
joyment by other user groups.
t's also worth considering how trail development by cyclists can inevitably
ad to mission creep. Since the goal is generally to get back at least as much
you put into the trail, cyclists understandably won't advocate for new trail
nstruction within designated wilderness areas. One noteworthy concern - and
is has and continues to play out somewhat controversially on other trails like
e Arizona Trail - is that the permanent alignment of the official trail might
designated in an area of lesser scenic, aesthetic, or quiet recreational
lue - quite likely nearer to roads, vehicles, and attendant noise - rather
an in wilderness areas, due to heavy advocacy by one user group who, through
fault of their own, stand at odds with the trail's historical model of
tting silently upon the most majestic parts of the Divide.
firmly believe the CDT has more than enough room to accommodate everyone, what
ew of us there are overall. But I don't think that the trail's most ardent and
ng-standing users, defenders, and - gasp - philosophers should of necessity be
clined to hike something other than the purpose-built CDT alignment for
asons of aesthetics, scenery, or quietude. Cyclists generally don't conflict
th these attributes directly, but the cycling advocacy need to recognize the
ail's natural center of balance and, in their zeal to develop something of
eatness, avoid tipping things too heavily in one direction.
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