[Cdt-l] CC vs CDTS, post-Silver Fire

Doug Carlson doug-sue at centurylink.net
Sun Aug 11 14:11:52 CDT 2013

The CDTS does cross the CDT at the top of Aldie Crk Tr.  In fact, at the
time I came across my first CDT marker  on that Aldie Crk Tr there was about
6- 8 inches of snow on the ground and I mistakenly started to follow it for
15- 20 minutes before I turned around and went back to my GPS route.  Does
that give me an CDT hiking credentials?


IF you have never hiked the CDTS route I suppose I could turn  your
arguement around, but it appears you have been over both routes.  So I will
modify my opinion to, I was very satisfied with the CDTS route and would
recommend it to anyone wanting an unique experience.  I don't remember any
CDT tr markers through the Gila Wilderness, so in following the CDTS I found
exactly what I wanted- an unmarked trail  all the way from Columbus  up to
Snowy Lake.  I did see a couple of cairns as I was passing along the Three
Sisters (English Name) out of Columbus  but that was about it.


Anyone who follows the Gila River route leaves the CD and it happens more
than   once along the CDT- from what I have seen.  In Montana I started sobo
at the border by Chief Mt.  That is an acceptable route for many, so the
staying true to the Divide arguement is not so important to me nor to a lot
of others as far as I can see.


I do wish  a land use agreement could be  reached to allow CDT hikers who
want to start in Antelope Wells to do so.  I can see the desire to follow
the Divide as closely as possible and have no desire to turn anyone away
from HTOT. 


If I only get one shot at  hiking the CDT the CDTS was a very satisfying
experience as far as I went.  By the time I would have gotten to Pie Town I
would have been on the established route, pretty much.  


Taking the train from Tucson over to Deming it would be just as easy to get
off at Hachita and if I make another run at the CDT I may take a serious
look at that route starting nobo from the train depot.


I am a bit different in my approach to long distance hiking anyway.  I am
out to hike trail, not roads.  So I am looking for as little road walk as I
can find, and I would rather wander off the CDT and hike trial than stay on
the CDT and walk a road.  


Just rambling here today. I leave Tuesday morning to hike from the WY/CO
border down to Berthoud Pass.  So over all all this is going to be a good
trail year for me. Will be starting on Thursday morning.





From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Andy James
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 10:12 AM
To: 'Brett'; cdt-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] CC vs CDTS, post-Silver Fire


I agree with Brett.  There are circumstances that force you from the
official routing.


However, I would be a bit reluctant to take advice from the previous post by
someone who's sum total of experience is hiking from Columbus to Snow Lake
without a single step on the designated national scenic trail.   


I hiked the CC and Black Range routing as part of my CDT hike and picked
those choices because the  trail actually closely follows the divide. I live
in NM and have done many Gila hikes, including the one from Docs to Snow
Lake and it is also a great hike.  HYOH, but the official route is where it
should be, close to the divide.  There are lots of great hike choices out
there but the "D" in "CDT" does not stand for Deming.  






From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Brett
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [Cdt-l] CC vs CDTS, post-Silver Fire


Given the recent Silver Fire in the Black Range and likely extensive trail
damage there, it's conceivable that the best route for the time being would
be official CDT from the border, then joining the CDTS route in the Gila. Or
for southbounders, CDTS in Gila to official CDT (Doc Campbells to Silver




- Brett




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From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] CC Vs CDTS
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If one's goal is to follow the CD as closely as possible, that makes sense.
But if you agree with the aims of the CDTS and look for- what does Jim Wolfe
say- water and historic/senic advantages- than the CDTS is a very good

Keith has set up two very good spots between Columbus and Deming for water,
Deming is a great resupply town, and there is water north of there.  Keith
in Deming  and Lynnea in Mimbres are excellent support.  

I am not fixated on the CD myself- just looking for an interesting route and
the CDTS is it.  

This is my opinion- Keith is a very good experience.  He loves the CDTS and
has done a lot to set up water contacts between Deming and Columbus.  I told
him what he asks for picking up hikers and getting them to Columbus is too
little.  I never met Sam Hughes, but I am sure Kieth has done as much for
the CDTS as Same did for CC's and the CDT.


From: Eric White [mailto:ericshawwhite at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:47 AM
To: Doug Carlson; Keith Schwarzer
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] CC Vs CDTS

I disagree - The best place should be on the true Divide west of Antelope
Wells, but the Busch family won't let hikers on their property. Another
example of the one percenters calling the shots. Mini Mart

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