[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 83, Issue 13 Sheep Dogs

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Wed Aug 27 10:26:19 CDT 2014

I have had numerous interactions with these dogs over the years.  Most of
the herds are watched by Peruvian immigrants on short term visas.  I speak
bad Spanish very well and had the opportunity to have coffee with one of the
sheepherders a few years back.  While we were talking, one of his Akbash
dogs came after me.  He picked up a rock and the dog ran away in panic.  I
questioned him about it and he explained that rocks are used for training
the dogs.  I have had five different encounters with Akbash dogs since then
and I alway pick up a rock, and the dogs always run away.  The notion that
rocks don't work is just plain incorrect.  I have never had to throw a rock
- just pick it up and they will back off.   


best wishes,


Jerry Brown

(970) 403-3527    Cell: (970) 317-1398

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I ran into two heards of sheep numbering over 200 within 30 miles of
Silverton about a month ago and had no issues. One heard had one of those
big white dogs. It barked and came within 100' then went back to the heard.
The second was tended by two very sweet border collies. I was more concerned
with a pack of coyoties attacking the sheep while I hiked by. On coyote came
right at me then veered at about 30'. My hiking poles would have been

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CDT hikers, along with local recreationists, report hazardous encounters 
with the Akbash dogs that guard sheep herds around Silverton, Colorado. 
The animals, which stand up to nearly three feet tall and weigh up to 
140 pounds, frequently startle passing travelers with their aggressive, 
snarling approach. Raising hiking poles as a defensive measure does not 
help; on the contrary, it is more likely to prompt an attack. (Don't 
throw rocks at the dogs or run away from them, either.) At least one 
long-distance hiker was bitten and needed medical care, and one local 
hiker now carries a loaded gun when she goes out for a hike. The Forest 
Service is aware of the problem and is requiring ranchers to keep their 
sheep herds at least a quarter-mile from the CDT. Anyone who has an 
unpleasant encounter with the large white dogs should report the 
incident to the San Juan National Forest's Columbine Ranger District 
(which has an office in Silverton). [From a report in the Denver Post.]

Jim Wolf

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Subject: [Cdt-l] Montana Segment 2 Maps Update
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Montana Segment 2 has changed between mile points 2.0 and 9.0.  Since we are
not going to publish a new MT  mapbook until early next summer, I have
provided replacement maps online. To download the new maps, go to
www.bearcreeksurvey.com and take the Map Updates link.  Use these instead of
Mapbook maps 7 and 8. 

If you are wondering what the Bearcreek maps look like, here is a chance to
see a sample without incurring any cost.  

A few waypoints have also changed, but if you have already set up your gps
for Montana, I would suggest not worrying too much about that right now.
The new trail is reported to be easy to follow.  Just remember that it
leaves the old route at Mile 2.0 and rejoins it at Mile 9.0.  

The new waypoint file has been added to the zip file on the website.  It is
called MT2014New.gpx  Use it instead of MT2014B.gpx

best wishes,

Jerry Brown

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