[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 83, Issue 13 Sheep Dogs

Wed Aug 27 11:10:21 CDT 2014

I'll go with jb. Way too much "expert" advice in the hiking webosphere.
On Aug 27, 2014 11:31 AM, <bcss at bresnan.net> wrote:

> I have had numerous interactions with these dogs over the years.  Most of
> the herds are watched by Peruvian immigrants on short term visas.  I speak
> bad Spanish very well and had the opportunity to have coffee with one of
> the sheepherders a few years back.  While we were talking, one of his
> Akbash dogs came after me.  He picked up a rock and the dog ran away in
> panic.  I questioned him about it and he explained that rocks are used for
> training the dogs.  I have had five different encounters with Akbash dogs
> since then and I alway pick up a rock, and the dogs always run away.  The
> notion that rocks don’t work is just plain incorrect.  I have never had to
> throw a rock – just pick it up and they will back off.
>
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>
> best wishes,
>
>
>
> Jerry Brown
>
> (970) 403-3527    Cell: (970) 317-1398
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> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net <bcss at bresnan.net>
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> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
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>
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> I ran into two heards of sheep numbering over 200 within 30 miles of
> Silverton about a month ago and had no issues. One heard had one of those
> big white dogs. It barked and came within 100' then went back to the heard.
> The second was tended by two very sweet border collies. I was more
> concerned with a pack of coyoties attacking the sheep while I hiked by. On
> coyote came right at me then veered at about 30'. My hiking poles would
> have been useless.
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>   1. Dangerous sheep dogs (Jim Wolf)
>   2. Montana Segment 2 Maps Update (bcss at bresnan.net)
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:16:55 -0400
> From: Jim Wolf <mail at cdtsociety.org>
> Subject: [Cdt-l] Dangerous sheep dogs
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> CDT hikers, along with local recreationists, report hazardous encounters
> with the Akbash dogs that guard sheep herds around Silverton, Colorado.
> The animals, which stand up to nearly three feet tall and weigh up to
> 140 pounds, frequently startle passing travelers with their aggressive,
> snarling approach. Raising hiking poles as a defensive measure does not
> help; on the contrary, it is more likely to prompt an attack. (Don't
> throw rocks at the dogs or run away from them, either.) At least one
> long-distance hiker was bitten and needed medical care, and one local
> hiker now carries a loaded gun when she goes out for a hike. The Forest
> Service is aware of the problem and is requiring ranchers to keep their
> sheep herds at least a quarter-mile from the CDT. Anyone who has an
> unpleasant encounter with the large white dogs should report the
> incident to the San Juan National Forest's Columbine Ranger District
> (which has an office in Silverton). [From a report in the Denver Post.]
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> Jim Wolf
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:20:12 -0600
> From: <bcss at bresnan.net>
> Subject: [Cdt-l] Montana Segment 2 Maps Update
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> Montana Segment 2 has changed between mile points 2.0 and 9.0.  Since we
> are
> not going to publish a new MT  mapbook until early next summer, I have
> provided replacement maps online. To download the new maps, go to
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com and take the Map Updates link.  Use these instead
> of
> Mapbook maps 7 and 8.
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> If you are wondering what the Bearcreek maps look like, here is a chance to
> see a sample without incurring any cost.
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> A few waypoints have also changed, but if you have already set up your gps
> for Montana, I would suggest not worrying too much about that right now.
> The new trail is reported to be easy to follow.  Just remember that it
> leaves the old route at Mile 2.0 and rejoins it at Mile 9.0.
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> The new waypoint file has been added to the zip file on the website.  It is
> called MT2014New.gpx  Use it instead of MT2014B.gpx
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> best wishes,
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>
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> Jerry Brown
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> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
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> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
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