[Cdt-l] Fw: Re: Use of compass star on Ley maps

Brian Dickson briansolar1 at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Jan 24 15:30:11 CST 2014

I agree, I used a GPS a few times on the CDT but could have made it without one. The real fun to be had is navigating using all the signs available by looking around and using a map.

Brian Dickson

--- On Fri, 24/1/14, Jonathan Ley <jonathan at phlumf.com> wrote:

> From: Jonathan Ley <jonathan at phlumf.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Use of compass star on Ley maps
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Friday, 24 January, 2014, 6:29
> Hi everyone… just a little
> more info on the Compass Rose. The web page link is here:
> http://www.phlumf.com/travels/cdt/cdtgps.shtml  You can download StarMan’s
> file, but on average, you’ll be using 2-3 of these maps a
> day… You’ll have hours and hours to enter a waypoint
> (the center of the compass rose) manually on your GPS if you
> really need to. Since the coordinates are printed right on
> the maps, you don’t really need them saved elsewhere.
>   The accuracy of this method
> will be better the closer you are to the coordinate. But, in
> most cases along the CDT, you won’t need much accuracy to
> figure out where you are.   As mentioned on the web page,
> while this method can help tell you “where  you are
> on the map”, it doesn’t tell you where to go next. To do
> that, you’ll need to use the map, maybe a compass, and
> most certainly your head :-)   Also, regarding navigation
> more generally… as was mentioned in another post –
> people have managed to navigate the CDT without GPS for
> years. A GPS can be helpful, and even a bit fun, but it’s
> not a requirement. 
>  On many
> occasions, I’ve been a bit surprised at the lack of
> orienteering skills possessed by some of my fellow
> thru-hikers. I think that for long-distance hikers,
> orienteering ought to be as fundamental as reading for the
> general population: everyone ought to learn how to orient a
> map, use a compass (and I don’t mean just “the needle
> points north”, but have a thorough understanding of
> declination, and how to take/follow bearings, triangulate,
> etc), and really read a map (knowing what all the obscure
> markings mean…). There are lots of resources on the web,
> books, and local courses to help teach this stuff. That
> said, I know that this stuff doesn’t come easily to
> everyone… some people just have a really hard time with
> directional sense. 
>  Beyond that, a
> general skill “trail sniffing” is really valuable out
> there – being able to notice signs of worn roots, cut
> branches/logs, old blazes, and other subtle signals that
> tell you where to go. To me, all this stuff is part of the
> fun of a hike… it’s like a puzzle to figure out, and can
> give you a sense of pride & accomplishment when you get
> it right. Anyone can follow a line on an LCD screen.
>    -Jonathan    From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of
> Frank Gilliland
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:56 PM
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [Cdt-l] Use of compass star on Ley
> maps  Love the Ley Maps!  (And
> I love the Bear Creek data)I also loaded the Ley Compass
> Rose as waypoints in my "little
> co-pilot". I got in a habit of locating
> my position on my Ley map first. Old School!Then I would fire up the unit
> and verify. New School!  My second favorite thing was
> to mark waypoints for
> interesting features like my camp
> sites. Google Earth later at home to
> see my evening camp spot!  If you choose to pack tech
> then I have the now dated Ley Rose points
> posted:https://www.sites.google.com/site/frankgilliland/cdtJust
> one personal note. "I" take several forms of tech
> with me when I hike. My passion is to walk,
> return home and then walk again!So I take modern
> maps, a fancy compass, iPhone, GPS, nylon
> tent,Super feet inserts, carbon fiber hiking
> poles and Snickers bars.All products of modern
> living.  I do Love my Snickers.......HYOH and
> CYOG (Carry Your Own Gear)StarMan  ***********While
> the Ley maps don't have longitude/latitude lines, most
> of them have a compass star that you can use to orient
> yourself on the map. I frequently powered on my GPS for a
> "fugawi" check. Let's web site explains how to
> do this. This was very helpful. There's a waypoint GPX
> file available for downloading on the CDT forum over at
> white blaze I, too, wondered around near Lava Mtn, like
> IceAx. This was before the Bearcreek waypoints were
> available. I'm kind of glad I did as the clambering over
> the Lava gave me an adrenaline rush. After searching around
> for a long time to find a trail and enjoying the view north
> of the spectacular ridge beyond Brooks Lake, I finally
> punted, set a waypoint on the road leading to Togwotee Pass,
> and bushwhacked over to it on another of the Ley alternates.
> If, more and more I'm thinking when, I hike the CDT
> again, I'll carry both the Ley and Bear Creek maps. The
> notes on Ley's maps are very valuable and some of the
> alternates are really nice. Handlebar  
> Sent from my
> iPad
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