[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 86, Issue 6

michael vernon woodsfarmer at gmail.com
Wed Nov 12 18:02:10 CST 2014

I "chunked" ID/MT in 2009 and 2012.  Both times starting June 15.  Both
times there was snow and snow navigation.  It wasn"t bad since the ups and
downs took you in and out of the snow cover.  The MT facing side was where
most of the snow was while the ID facing side was usually clear.  The snow
goes fast with the high summer sun.  Naturally the elevations dictate the
conditions.  And every year is different.. Now about the "lowly" section
hiker stuff.  The disappointment is real but you hiked well and long this
year.  Next year i have finally made the time and will be hiking crazy cook
to Henry"s Lake.   that will( luck permitting) allow me to understand that
i have hiked from mexico to canada.  Not a true through hike but a hell of
a walk!  Good luck waiting out the winter.---woodsfarmer

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> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:19:25 +0000
> From: Brian Dickson <briansolar1 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] big sky variant
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> I couldn't resist replying to Mathew's post below...
> A few years ago after our 2009 hike I posted some maps on the 'big sky
> variant' which is not on the divide but provides a shorter hiking
> connection between the CDT at '2 ocean pass' in northern Wyoming to near
> Butte southern Montana. The maps are here at:
> http://wildernesstravels.co.uk/cdt/bigsky.htm.
> Others had been this way before including Jim and Ginny Owen - and 'the
> Onion' had already created maps for the northern section. We enjoyed the
> hike, it covers interesting territory, but is definitely not the
> continental divide.
> Mathew notes....
> >> I opted for the Big sky variant and regretted every
> >> moment of it leading to the point of bailing out in Big Sky
> >> MT.? A complete mental collapse around it. Not to
> >> mention funding. Somebody should take this out as an option.
> I am sorry you had such a bad time Mathew, but I happen to like options,
> it is up to you to pick the ones suitable to your own abilities and
> preferences - or hike your own route altogether. What my maps do in a small
> way, along with say Jonathan Ley's purple line routes and the many great
> alternates described by Jim Wolf's guides is give you some choices, the CDT
> official route is always there if you choose that!
> Brian Dickson
> Black Isle Scotland
> Message: 3
>  Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 16:36:21 -0800
>  From: matthew lesniewicz <mlesswicz at yahoo.com>
>  Subject: [Cdt-l] Location name / lowly- start date
>  To: "cdt-l at backcountry.net"
>  <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
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>  I 'm guessing the campground was Lagunitas. I don't remember
>  a private ranch per say but it is surrounded by the Tierra
>  Amarilla on the west. That's what keeps us off the divide
>  leaving north of Chama. Chama and Banded Pks. Those first
>  two defining mountains in the south san juan.
>  I'm in the same boat in regards to being a "lowly section
>  hiker." And also wondering about an ideal start date ID/MT.
>  Heading north.
>  It's one thing when one plans a thru and finds themselves
>  demoted to a section hiker? Vs. a conscious choice of
>  only hiking sections.
>  There's something less fulfilling about it, if your not
>  fulfilling your intentions.
>  That's where I'm at from this 2014 season hike. A measly
>  2000 miles and I feel like a failure. Completely short
>  handed. I know that's my own problem. I'll confess, even
>  worse I opted for the Big sky variant and regretted every
>  moment of it leading to the point of bailing out in Big Sky
>  MT.? A complete mental collapse around it. Not to
>  mention funding. Somebody should take this out as an option.
>  And save it for the yo yo's to whom it was created for. It
>  is completely more directionally sound however, but way off
>  the divide theme.
>  Now I'm stuck with 550 miles from there or going back to
>  southern yellowstone and finishing the official some
>  900-1000 mi.
>  Even if I would have finished the variant I wouldn't have
>  felt like I hiked the CDT.? Not meeting the demand of
>  the divide.
>  Most will say it doesn't matter what routes you take on the
>  cdt but I would ask are you hiking the CDT? Can you hack the
>  Weminuche or climb the highest on the divide. Or hike the
>  basin in the hottest time of the season. Short cutting,
>  flipping blah blah. I think once you start doing this, one
>  tends to loose their "thru" hiking status. And is transposed
>  to a chunker. I know this topic will get heated and the
>  debate will go on and on and peoples' feelings will get
>  hurt. And everybody will get defensive.?
>  Thru the seasons and thru the land, over the trail, to the
>  border we go!
>  (Disclaimer): these are my feelings and interpretations.
>  And really none of it matters. I'm just glad to see and meet
>  everyone out there. It was a great class of 2014.
>  I'm just trying to come out of my shell with all this.
>  The CDT is an epic awesome passage. I'm so enthralled that
>  it exists for us..........
>   We do what we can and make the most of it.
>  And the irony is, in reality hiking sections probably would
>  be the most enjoyable. Bravo to the section hikers that
>  "embrace" this.
>  Anyone with PTS (post trail syndrome) out there?
>  VD
> Brian Dickson
> www.pbase.com/briansolar1
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