[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 100, Issue 7
Charlie Thorpe
charliethorpe at att.net
Sat Jan 23 21:16:20 CST 2016
Hello Michelle -
I wasn't going to comment in this thread, but your messages are so interesting on so many levels I just can't resist <VBG>.
Shoes -
I have used running shoes for the last few thousand miles and don't plan to go back to boots of any kind for three-season distance hiking. I used various incarnations of New Balance AT's over the years and absolutely loved them until they changed the last.
I am now using Solomons and like them better now that I am using the Superfeet custom orthotics (first pair made at AT Traildays, second at REI). I tried Merrells ("Airweights", I think they were called) and dang near crippled myself hiking just from Macks Inn into Yellowstone (fortunately I was able to hitch back to my car to get different shoes to continue my hike down to the Winds).
I have to completely agree with David Rogers on shoes and feet - there are almost infinite combinations between them and getting the right matchup is critical for most of us (I do know a guy who backpacks barefoot, however). Those of us with other feet who have tried a variety of shoes can offer advice on traction, durability, cost, etc., but finding the right fit and features for the way you hike has gotta be done by you for you.
IMHO, one way is to find a genuine hiking shoe expert to personally help you make the fit and the other is for you to try different shoes as you get yourself back in shape to backpack the long trails. I usually get at least a couple pairs of whatever shoe is working best for me and wear both pairs as I enjoy a few prep hikes before the next long hike. I then throw those shoes and a few other pairs I have been trying out into the car when I head out, on the theory that I should be able to make at least one of those pairs work for whatever is coming up.
Pack weights -
Gotta agree with David again on this one. Almost. 10 lbs total pack weight isn't for everybody...it's kinda like being a vegetarian or running marathons, you gotta really want to do it to make it meet whatever level of safety and comfort you are looking for. 20 to 25 lbs total pack weight for a 6 day resupply cycle is very doable by learning a few outdoor skills, stealing ideas from other distance hikers, enjoying a little experimentation, and throwing in some $.
I didn't realize it at the time, but I met Cheryl Strayed and her 70 lb pack on the PCT. That gargantuan load had pretty much stopped her hike (bad knee) when we helped her get down to a BLM campground and arrange a ride with the campground host to Kennedy Meadows.
She really needed a 20-25 lb pack from there on, but the best we could get her to trim down to was probably in the 40-45 lb range. I later realized why after reading her book...this hike was likely supposed to be penance for the rough life she previously led. It was supposed to hurt.
I have now decided to work hard at keeping my own sins down to the level that my own penance can stay in the 20-25 lb range...
Dogs on the trail -
I would put this in EXACTLY the same category as trail shoes...too many combinations of breeds, physical condition, training/disposition, age, etc....and human partners....for anybody other than you to make the call. I have enjoyed dogs most of my life and rank them up near kids as fun things to have around...but a pretty doggone (!) high percentage of the dogs I have met on the long trails simply should have not been there.
Virtually all of these dogs indicated strongly that they wanted to be with their human on the hike...they definitely were NOT being drug down the trail. That wasn't it.
Some should have stayed home because they weren't physically suited for a long hike. Some should have stayed home because they exhibited behaviors that made it unpleasant for other hikers to be around them. Almost all of their humans didn't want to keep them confined by a leash...and many of those dogs should have stayed home because very few (VERY few) of them had the training/conditioning required to allow them to be off-leash and not interact adversely with local wildlife.
A few seemed to be having the time of their life and were totally capable of out-hiking their human while carrying their own food and water. IMHO, orthopedic surgeons can be really nice people and they really come in handy sometimes, but personally I would get the advice of an expert dog vet who has worked with distance hiking dogs to see how reasonable it is for your canine partner to carry more of their own weight. My hunch is that the pup might need to stay home if too fragile to at least hump their own food and water.
Water -
You mentioned one gallon of water for you and the dog for seven days. That seems really (really, Really, REALLY!) low to me, even in freezing weather. Everybody is different, but my own experience with older Scouts (male and female) and other scruffy distance hikers leads me to plan at least one liter of water for every 5 trail miles with at least one liter per day extra to burn up during cooked meal stops. Sometimes more during really hot weather and sometimes less during freezing temps, but I don't recall ever getting by with one gallon for seven days, even without the dog.
I am curious if other hikers here on CDT-L carry just one gallon of water for seven days?
Fun -
Hiking is fun and a lot of the distance hikers I have met seem to think that fussing around with gear makes up a lot of that fun. They won't admit it, but I am convinced that it is ALL the fun for some of my gearhead hiking friends. I find it fun myself because I kinda hang around the edges to get to try out the new stuff that their gear addiction forces them to buy <g>.
I know that my own hiking kit has changed considerably over the years I have been distance hiking. I use the CASE method (Copy And Steal Everything) when I meet another hiker who seems to have things figured out a little better than me. I also go over my gear when I get home and throw out whatever I didn't use on that hike (most of the time, anyway).
Fiddling with gear is fun, especially now that we have the internet to help us easily CASE. My suggestion is to have some fun adjusting and readjusting your gear set until you get your pack weight down at least below 30 lbs. Embrace the gear fun!
Thanks for the reasons to get into some good hiking memories on a winter day. My wife and I did a nice long walk here in town to enjoy the rare snow here in north Alabama, but we were glad to get back inside and do a recliner instead of a camping hammock.
Scratch your pup partner for me and enjoy getting ready for the trail again!
- Charlie
> As far as my tendon is concerned I don't plan to hike until I am fully recovered or at least not hike a great distance. Everyone's philosophy about animals is a little different. My opinion is that because it is not his choice to come on this hike but something I choose to have him do, it would not be right for me to put him at any more risk than is absolutely necessary.
> Btw, my husband is the radiologist who read my MRI and one of our best friends is the orthopedic surgeon that has been treating me. So there is no chance they will let me do more than I should.
> I guess the reason I don't blink at a 50 pound pack is that as I have stated several times, last year was an eye-opener for me. I know now that this is absurd so please don't laugh too much but my first hike last year started with a 70 pound pack. It was like a scene out of Wild with just a little less drama in the background. LOL.
>
> Anyways.....thanks to everyone for the boot advice. We don't have an REI in Oklahoma yet so I wanted to be a little better educated before I made the 8 hour round trip.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 5:46 PM, BCSS <bcss at bresnan.net> wrote:
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>> So, just to get this straight. Your dog can't carry any weight on the advice of an orthopedic surgeon, but it's ok for you - someone who is recovering from a recently torn Achilles' tendon, to carry 50 pounds? Maybe you should run that by an orthopedic surgeon.
>>
>> best wishes,
>>
>> Jerry Brown
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:04 PM, michelle bracht <mbracht at live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> leeping mat and a down cover for him because he gets cold at night. Of course I have to carry a food bowl and first aid for him I also carry shoes because on our first hike he cut his foot and could not finish.
>>> Last year was my first time doing solo hikes over 200 miles. I have since purchased almost all new gear that is much lighter. On dry segments lasting seven days where I will have to carry a gallon of water I will be a little over 50 pounds.
>>> I do not have him carry anything because I was warned not to by an orthopedic surgeon.
>>>
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>>>> 1. low cut shoes for backpacking (Mary Kwart)
>>>> 2. Re: Low cut women's hiking boots (E)
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>>>> 4. Re: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 100, Issue 6 (ROGERS)
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>>>> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:44:54 -0800
>>>> From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
>>>> To: mbracht at live.com, cdt-l at backcountry.net
>>>> Subject: [Cdt-l] low cut shoes for backpacking
>>>> Message-ID: <165ade9c681b13d4e29fa495bb75c804399654fc at webmail.gci.net>
>>> Thanks for the advice on shoes. Several people have suggested Merrells. I had a pair that I didn't like years ago but so many people like them that I think I better give them another try.
>>> As to the question about weight, I am the only person hiking so I have nobody to share the load. In addition I travel with a dog who eats A LOT. I have to carry all of my own gear plus gear for him that means I have to carry food and water but also a larger tent than One person would ordinarily need. I also carry a sleeping mat and a down cover for him because he gets cold at night. Of course I have to carry a food bowl and first aid for him I also carry shoes because on our first hike he cut his foot and could not finish.
>>> Last year was my first time doing solo hikes over 200 miles. I have since purchased almost all new gear that is much lighter. On dry segments lasting seven days where I will have to carry a gallon of water I will be a little over 50 pounds.
>>> I do not have him carry anything because I was warned not to by an orthopedic surgeon.
>>>
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>>>> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:44:54 -0800
>>>> From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
>>>> To: mbracht at live.com, cdt-l at backcountry.net
>>>> Subject: [Cdt-l] low cut shoes for backpacking
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>>>> I use the low cut Merrell Moab ventilators with "yoursole" insoles.
>>>> They weigh a little more than running shoes, but I need more stability
>>>> and padding. They last me about 500 miles per pair.
>>>>
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>>>> From: "E" <eshaww at excite.com>
>>>> To: "cdt-l at backcountry.net"<cdt-l at backcountry.net>, "michelle
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>>>> I did the CDT on a $99/ pair Merrells - several. A related comment is why would you want ?exceed a 40 pound load while hiking the CDT? I'd work on keeping your pack weight lower. Mini Mart?
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>>>> Concerning footwear...
>>>> First priority needs to be reducing pack weight. It needs to be under 10 lbs. if possible. Your feet will thank you. If you can keep your total pack weight say, under 25 lbs. all you will need is trail runners most likely. I have horrible feet but have been able to thruhike again since going lighter on weight. I wear Brooks ASR trail shoes, non-waterproof (not gtx). I used to wear Cascadias. Ankle high socks also helps cut down pack weight and saves a little space too.
>>>>
>>>> Montbell, Merrill, Altra, and other shoes/low cut boots found at places like REI should work. Fit without foot pain is the number one concern. Light weight is easier on feet over long distances provided you get the support you need. Some people find inserts purchased and inserted into their shoe/boot helps a lot. No one can tell you a specific boot/shoe though. Every foot and need is different. You just need to go out and try them with the weight on your back at the time. Be sure to do some long multiday hikes in them to make sure they will be ok or you may have to cut your trip short.
>>>> David Rogers
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>>>> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:17:44 +0000
>>>> From: michelle bracht <mbracht at live.com>
>>>> To: "cdt-l at backcountry.net" <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
>>>> Subject: [Cdt-l] Low cut women's hiking boots
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>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for some advice on low cut boots. Last fall I tore my Achilles' tendon on the trail. I can no longer wear tall boots because of the scarring. Can anyone recommend a low cut boot that can handle a heavy load (the pack not me LOL) and offer decent stability ?? Most of the boots I have read reviews for say they are good for up to a 40 pound pack. Unfortunately I'm over that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:00 PM, "cdt-l-request at backcountry.net" <cdt-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:
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>>>>> ? 1. Re: Stinking Hikers (Doug Carlson)
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>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:48:09 -0700
>>>>> From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
>>>>> To: "'Lynnae'" <lmcconaha at aol.com>
>>>>> Cc: 'cdt-l' <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Stinking Hikers
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>>>>> Lynnae, My wife agrees with your opinion.? Backpackers do stink.? I did appreciate your hospitality a few summers ago.? Glad to hear you and Will are on the means.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Doug Carlson (who has been one very stinking backpacker more than once)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Cdt-l [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Lynnae
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:48 PM
>>>>> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
>>>>> Subject: [Cdt-l] Patric Force
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a box here left for Patrick Force.? We apparently we were not here when he came by for the package in November.? Do you want me to do anything with this resupply box Patrick?? It did get torn somewhere a long the way.? I'm sorry we missed you....been quite a year for the two of us healthwise.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the long hikes between places hikers don't really realize how much of a smell their belongings carry even after we give hikers a shower and wash clothing.? It takes me days to air out the bedroom at times.? So, we'll need to ask hikers leave their items outside and possibly sleep outside from now on.? We are on the alternate route and really haven't seen many hikers coming from Palomas/Columbus in the last year or so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Our health issues are much better and will be able to accommodate resupply boxes and hikers this coming year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Will and Lynnae McConaha
>>>>>
>>>>> HC 68 Box 64C, 3918 Hwy 35N, Mimbres, NM 88049
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>>>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:56:45 -0700
>>>> From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
>>>> To: "'michelle bracht'" <mbracht at live.com>,??? <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Low cut women's hiking boots
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>>>> Favorite footwear- that should open up an active discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Consider that most of the load is carried in the footbed of the shoe or boot
>>>> you are wearing.? A good solid footbed sounds like what you need.? I used a
>>>> low cut trail shoe by Merrell with a Vibram sole/tread on the JMT this past
>>>> July and thought it did an excellent job of carrying me and my pack.? My
>>>> pack is about 35 lbs with food and water.? I would suggest you take a good
>>>> look at Merrells.? Go into an REI and see what they have.
>>>>
>>>> I have used the thinner footbed? with the softer soles that New Balance
>>>> makes and I do ok with them- depends on the terrain, really.? Softer ground-
>>>> New Balance works well, hard ground/rock then a firmer footbed performs
>>>> better.?
>>>>
>>>> The side of my shoe says "Continuum" on a small label.? I paid close to
>>>> $140- $150 for the Merrells I have from REI. Worth the cost.? I plan to use
>>>> these same shoes on the Arizona Trail this year.
>>>>
>>>> -Trew
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cdt-l [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of michelle
>>>> bracht
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:18 PM
>>>> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
>>>> Subject: [Cdt-l] Low cut women's hiking boots
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for some advice on low cut boots. Last fall I tore my Achilles'
>>>> tendon on the trail. I can no longer wear tall boots because of the
>>>> scarring. Can anyone recommend a low cut boot that can handle a heavy load
>>>> (the pack not me LOL) and offer decent stability ?? Most of the boots I have
>>>> read reviews for say they are good for up to a 40 pound pack. Unfortunately
>>>> I'm over that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:00 PM, "cdt-l-request at backcountry.net"
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>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:48:09 -0700
>>>>> From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
>>>>> To: "'Lynnae'" <lmcconaha at aol.com>
>>>>> Cc: 'cdt-l' <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Stinking Hikers
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>>>>> Lynnae, My wife agrees with your opinion.? Backpackers do stink.? I did
>>>> appreciate your hospitality a few summers ago.? Glad to hear you and Will
>>>> are on the means.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Doug Carlson (who has been one very stinking backpacker more than
>>>>> once)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Cdt-l [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Lynnae
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:48 PM
>>>>> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
>>>>> Subject: [Cdt-l] Patric Force
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a box here left for Patrick Force.? We apparently we were not here
>>>> when he came by for the package in November.? Do you want me to do anything
>>>> with this resupply box Patrick?? It did get torn somewhere a long the way.
>>>> I'm sorry we missed you....been quite a year for the two of us healthwise.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the long hikes between places hikers don't really realize how
>>>> much of a smell their belongings carry even after we give hikers a shower
>>>> and wash clothing.? It takes me days to air out the bedroom at times.? So,
>>>> we'll need to ask hikers leave their items outside and possibly sleep
>>>> outside from now on.? We are on the alternate route and really haven't seen
>>>> many hikers coming from Palomas/Columbus in the last year or so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Our health issues are much better and will be able to accommodate resupply
>>>> boxes and hikers this coming year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Will and Lynnae McConaha
>>>>>
>>>>> HC 68 Box 64C, 3918 Hwy 35N, Mimbres, NM 88049
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