From rlowery2007 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  6 15:45:44 2016
From: rlowery2007 at yahoo.com (Richard Lowery)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 20:45:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Cdt-l] Northbound from Crazy Cook
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Planning 2017 hike north from Crazy Cook. Anybody out there planning the same? Looking to start end of March beginning of April. Will have transportation to Crazy Cook.?
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From: b.mccullough509 at gmail.com (Bob McCullough)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:44:07 -0400
Subject: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 13
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:49:27 -0700
> From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> To: "'Frank Gilliland'" <frankgilliland at gmail.com>
> Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
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>
> Frank, Everyone else,
>
> Are the water caches shown on the BLM like Frank gave below the same caches
> as those used by Sam Hughes?
>
> If so, I am not able to connect the waypoints for the caches in the
> bearcreek waypoints and those given the link below- or am I just reading
> the
> info incorrectly?
>
> I hope I don't weary all you CDT veterans with all these questions.
>
> It has been over 10 years now since i last used long/lat in a much simplier
> GPS then the Etrex30 I am now playing with.
>
> This is getting more interesting all the time.
>
> -Trew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Frank Gilliland
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:00 PM
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
>
> Yep, like Jerry says..check out his web site and download all the data you
> can digest...
>
> also one more Google search for:   water new mexico cdt
>
> brought up the number two link of:
> http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/continental_divide_nst.html
>
> Click on the pdf link in the topic box of "Water" and you even have
> pictures...
>
> "Stay Thirsty, my Friends..."
>
> StarMan
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:15:12 -0700
> From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> To: <bcss at bresnan.net>
> Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <000a01ce08cf$2cec28d0$86c47a70$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> So is the new trail between Omega and Pie Town now in place?
>
>
>
> I would love to hike it.
>
>
>
> following US-60 into AZ it drops south before making its way into Phoenix
> and passes through my area about 19 miles north of where I live in
> Florence.
> US-60 is a very scenic route but I am not really interested in walking any
> more of it than necessary.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bcss at bresnan.net [mailto:bcss at bresnan.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:22 PM
> To: 'Doug Carlson'; Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
>
>
>
> One of the big goals of the CDT is to be non-motorized.  That is why the
> new
> route was developed ? to put hikers on trail instead of road.   Good news
> is
> that the route will eventually include new trail from near Omega connecting
> to Pietown, so that town will always be part of the trail.  I have done
> both
> the new trail and the road walk and the new trail is definitely nicer.  If
> I
> were doing the trail for the first time I think I would hike to Omega then
> follow the highway to Pietown.   There is new trail planned from Pietown to
> the Malpais that will be spectacular.
>
>
>
> best wishes,
>
>
>
> Jerry Brown
>
> (970) 403-3527    Cell: (970) 749-0496
>
> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
>
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
>
>
>
> From: Doug Carlson [mailto:doug-sue at centurylink.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:54 PM
> To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: bcss at bresnan.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
>
>
>
> Jerry, your  reference to the bearcreek maps and waypoints are a big help.
>
>
>
> Those waypoints should get me to Silver City with no problem.
>
>
>
> >From there I want to go up through the heart of the Gila Wilderness via
> Doc
> Campbells and on to Pie Town.  I can't imagine the official route moving
> away from Pie Town unless there was a really really good reason.  I have
> looked forward to carrying a pack into Pie Town and eating pie for a long
> time.
>
>
>
> I am feeling more confident  about this trip all the time.
>
>
>
> Side note:  with new gear, maps, food, mailing, travel, a long hike isn't
> cheap.  Can't wait to get going.
>
>
>
> -Trew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of bcss at bresnan.net
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:10 PM
> To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
>
>
>
> Trew,
>
>
>
> Free waypoint files for the entire CDT (which include the cache boxes) are
> available here:  www.bearcreeksurvey.com
>
>
>
> Take the Waypoints link on the main page and you will end up on a page
> where
> you can download them. They were all collected with professional grade gps
> and are quite accurate. There are 6972 waypoints in all for the entire
> trail
> route, average spacing a little over ? mile.  They only apply to the
> official USFS/BLM route for the CDNST so for the many possible alternate
> hikes such as the Gila River, Winds, or Anaconda cutoff they won?t help,
> but
> most of the time you will likely be on the official route.  I think Frank?s
> G?s website may have some helpful data for the alternates.
> https://www.sites.google.com/site/frankgilliland/cdt
>
>
>
> The Mapbooks are spiral bound collections of 1?=3000? scale hiker maps that
> show the official route and all of the waypoints with a high level of
> accuracy. There is information about them on the front page of the
> bearcreek
> website.
>
>
>
> These are the Waypoint names for the Water Boxes between Crazy Cook and
> Lordsburg:
>
>
>
> 01_137WT
>
> 01_255WT
>
> 02_194WT
>
> 03_127WT
>
> 04_198WT
>
>
>
> There is a considerable amount of water in there in addition to the boxes.
> (Farm ponds and watering tanks)  Any waypoint that ends in ?WT? is a place
> we found water.  I would suggest always carrying more than you anticipate
> needing in there in case one of them is dry or non functional.  If you plan
> for 20 miles between water sources you could do the entire thing just using
> the cache boxes.
>
>
>
>
>
> best wishes,
>
>
>
> Jerry Brown
>
> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
>
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
>
>
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> From: <bcss at bresnan.net>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> To: "'Doug Carlson'" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
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>
> Omega to Pietown is not built yet.  You would have to walk along the
> highway.
>
>
>
> best wishes,
>
>
>
> Jerry Brown
>
>  <mailto:bcss at bresnan.net> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
>
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
>
>
>
> From: Doug Carlson [mailto:doug-sue at centurylink.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:15 PM
> To: bcss at bresnan.net
> Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
>
>
>
> So is the new trail between Omega and Pie Town now in place?
>
>
>
> I would love to hike it.
>
>
>
> following US-60 into AZ it drops south before making its way into Phoenix
> and passes through my area about 19 miles north of where I live in
> Florence.
> US-60 is a very scenic route but I am not really interested in walking any
> more of it than necessary.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bcss at bresnan.net [mailto:bcss at bresnan.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:22 PM
> To: 'Doug Carlson'; Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
>
>
>
> One of the big goals of the CDT is to be non-motorized.  That is why the
> new
> route was developed ? to put hikers on trail instead of road.   Good news
> is
> that the route will eventually include new trail from near Omega connecting
> to Pietown, so that town will always be part of the trail.  I have done
> both
> the new trail and the road walk and the new trail is definitely nicer.  If
> I
> were doing the trail for the first time I think I would hike to Omega then
> follow the highway to Pietown.   There is new trail planned from Pietown to
> the Malpais that will be spectacular.
>
>
>
> best wishes,
>
>
>
> Jerry Brown
>
> (970) 403-3527    Cell: (970) 749-0496
>
> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
>
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
>
>
>
> From: Doug Carlson [mailto:doug-sue at centurylink.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:54 PM
> To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: bcss at bresnan.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
>
>
>
> Jerry, your  reference to the bearcreek maps and waypoints are a big help.
>
>
>
> Those waypoints should get me to Silver City with no problem.
>
>
>
> >From there I want to go up through the heart of the Gila Wilderness via
> Doc
> Campbells and on to Pie Town.  I can't imagine the official route moving
> away from Pie Town unless there was a really really good reason.  I have
> looked forward to carrying a pack into Pie Town and eating pie for a long
> time.
>
>
>
> I am feeling more confident  about this trip all the time.
>
>
>
> Side note:  with new gear, maps, food, mailing, travel, a long hike isn't
> cheap.  Can't wait to get going.
>
>
>
> -Trew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of bcss at bresnan.net
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:10 PM
> To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
>
>
>
> Trew,
>
>
>
> Free waypoint files for the entire CDT (which include the cache boxes) are
> available here:  www.bearcreeksurvey.com
>
>
>
> Take the Waypoints link on the main page and you will end up on a page
> where
> you can download them. They were all collected with professional grade gps
> and are quite accurate. There are 6972 waypoints in all for the entire
> trail
> route, average spacing a little over ? mile.  They only apply to the
> official USFS/BLM route for the CDNST so for the many possible alternate
> hikes such as the Gila River, Winds, or Anaconda cutoff they won?t help,
> but
> most of the time you will likely be on the official route.  I think Frank?s
> G?s website may have some helpful data for the alternates.
> https://www.sites.google.com/site/frankgilliland/cdt
>
>
>
> The Mapbooks are spiral bound collections of 1?=3000? scale hiker maps that
> show the official route and all of the waypoints with a high level of
> accuracy. There is information about them on the front page of the
> bearcreek
> website.
>
>
>
> These are the Waypoint names for the Water Boxes between Crazy Cook and
> Lordsburg:
>
>
>
> 01_137WT
>
> 01_255WT
>
> 02_194WT
>
> 03_127WT
>
> 04_198WT
>
>
>
> There is a considerable amount of water in there in addition to the boxes.
> (Farm ponds and watering tanks)  Any waypoint that ends in ?WT? is a place
> we found water.  I would suggest always carrying more than you anticipate
> needing in there in case one of them is dry or non functional.  If you plan
> for 20 miles between water sources you could do the entire thing just using
> the cache boxes.
>
>
>
>
>
> best wishes,
>
>
>
> Jerry Brown
>
> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
>
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
>
>
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From spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  8 21:42:22 2016
From: spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com (Jim and_or Ginny Owen)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 22:42:22 -0400
Subject: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 13
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References: <mailman.641.1360680308.78693.cdt-l@backcountry.net>,
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It came through to us.
Ginny

 
From: b.mccullough509 at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:44:07 -0400
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 13

Test

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   3. Re: waypoints Sam Huges water Caches? (bcss at bresnan.net)





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Message: 1

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:49:27 -0700

From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>

Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?

To: "'Frank Gilliland'" <frankgilliland at gmail.com>

Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Message-ID: <000001ce08cb$94383d20$bca8b760$@net>

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Frank, Everyone else,



Are the water caches shown on the BLM like Frank gave below the same caches

as those used by Sam Hughes?



If so, I am not able to connect the waypoints for the caches in the

bearcreek waypoints and those given the link below- or am I just reading the

info incorrectly?



I hope I don't weary all you CDT veterans with all these questions.



It has been over 10 years now since i last used long/lat in a much simplier

GPS then the Etrex30 I am now playing with.



This is getting more interesting all the time.



-Trew



-----Original Message-----

From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]

On Behalf Of Frank Gilliland

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:00 PM

To: cdt-l at backcountry.net

Subject: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?



Yep, like Jerry says..check out his web site and download all the data you

can digest...



also one more Google search for:   water new mexico cdt



brought up the number two link of:

http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/continental_divide_nst.html



Click on the pdf link in the topic box of "Water" and you even have

pictures...



"Stay Thirsty, my Friends..."



StarMan

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Message: 2

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:15:12 -0700

From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>

Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?

To: <bcss at bresnan.net>

Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Message-ID: <000a01ce08cf$2cec28d0$86c47a70$@net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"



So is the new trail between Omega and Pie Town now in place?







I would love to hike it.







following US-60 into AZ it drops south before making its way into Phoenix

and passes through my area about 19 miles north of where I live in Florence.

US-60 is a very scenic route but I am not really interested in walking any

more of it than necessary.















From: bcss at bresnan.net [mailto:bcss at bresnan.net]

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:22 PM

To: 'Doug Carlson'; Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?







One of the big goals of the CDT is to be non-motorized.  That is why the new

route was developed ? to put hikers on trail instead of road.   Good news is

that the route will eventually include new trail from near Omega connecting

to Pietown, so that town will always be part of the trail.  I have done both

the new trail and the road walk and the new trail is definitely nicer.  If I

were doing the trail for the first time I think I would hike to Omega then

follow the highway to Pietown.   There is new trail planned from Pietown to

the Malpais that will be spectacular.







best wishes,







Jerry Brown



(970) 403-3527    Cell: (970) 749-0496



mailto:bcss at bresnan.net



www.bearcreeksurvey.com







From: Doug Carlson [mailto:doug-sue at centurylink.net]

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:54 PM

To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Cc: bcss at bresnan.net

Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?







Jerry, your  reference to the bearcreek maps and waypoints are a big help.







Those waypoints should get me to Silver City with no problem.







>From there I want to go up through the heart of the Gila Wilderness via Doc

Campbells and on to Pie Town.  I can't imagine the official route moving

away from Pie Town unless there was a really really good reason.  I have

looked forward to carrying a pack into Pie Town and eating pie for a long

time.







I am feeling more confident  about this trip all the time.







Side note:  with new gear, maps, food, mailing, travel, a long hike isn't

cheap.  Can't wait to get going.







-Trew















From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]

On Behalf Of bcss at bresnan.net

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:10 PM

To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?







Trew,







Free waypoint files for the entire CDT (which include the cache boxes) are

available here:  www.bearcreeksurvey.com







Take the Waypoints link on the main page and you will end up on a page where

you can download them. They were all collected with professional grade gps

and are quite accurate. There are 6972 waypoints in all for the entire trail

route, average spacing a little over ? mile.  They only apply to the

official USFS/BLM route for the CDNST so for the many possible alternate

hikes such as the Gila River, Winds, or Anaconda cutoff they won?t help, but

most of the time you will likely be on the official route.  I think Frank?s

G?s website may have some helpful data for the alternates.

https://www.sites.google.com/site/frankgilliland/cdt







The Mapbooks are spiral bound collections of 1?=3000? scale hiker maps that

show the official route and all of the waypoints with a high level of

accuracy. There is information about them on the front page of the bearcreek

website.







These are the Waypoint names for the Water Boxes between Crazy Cook and

Lordsburg:







01_137WT



01_255WT



02_194WT



03_127WT



04_198WT







There is a considerable amount of water in there in addition to the boxes.

(Farm ponds and watering tanks)  Any waypoint that ends in ?WT? is a place

we found water.  I would suggest always carrying more than you anticipate

needing in there in case one of them is dry or non functional.  If you plan

for 20 miles between water sources you could do the entire thing just using

the cache boxes.











best wishes,







Jerry Brown



mailto:bcss at bresnan.net



www.bearcreeksurvey.com







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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:44:02 -0700

From: <bcss at bresnan.net>

Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?

To: "'Doug Carlson'" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>

Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Message-ID: <000401ce092f$69106c80$3b314580$@net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"



Omega to Pietown is not built yet.  You would have to walk along the

highway.







best wishes,







Jerry Brown



 <mailto:bcss at bresnan.net> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net



www.bearcreeksurvey.com







From: Doug Carlson [mailto:doug-sue at centurylink.net]

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:15 PM

To: bcss at bresnan.net

Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?







So is the new trail between Omega and Pie Town now in place?







I would love to hike it.







following US-60 into AZ it drops south before making its way into Phoenix

and passes through my area about 19 miles north of where I live in Florence.

US-60 is a very scenic route but I am not really interested in walking any

more of it than necessary.















From: bcss at bresnan.net [mailto:bcss at bresnan.net]

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:22 PM

To: 'Doug Carlson'; Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?







One of the big goals of the CDT is to be non-motorized.  That is why the new

route was developed ? to put hikers on trail instead of road.   Good news is

that the route will eventually include new trail from near Omega connecting

to Pietown, so that town will always be part of the trail.  I have done both

the new trail and the road walk and the new trail is definitely nicer.  If I

were doing the trail for the first time I think I would hike to Omega then

follow the highway to Pietown.   There is new trail planned from Pietown to

the Malpais that will be spectacular.







best wishes,







Jerry Brown



(970) 403-3527    Cell: (970) 749-0496



mailto:bcss at bresnan.net



www.bearcreeksurvey.com







From: Doug Carlson [mailto:doug-sue at centurylink.net]

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:54 PM

To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Cc: bcss at bresnan.net

Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?







Jerry, your  reference to the bearcreek maps and waypoints are a big help.







Those waypoints should get me to Silver City with no problem.







>From there I want to go up through the heart of the Gila Wilderness via Doc

Campbells and on to Pie Town.  I can't imagine the official route moving

away from Pie Town unless there was a really really good reason.  I have

looked forward to carrying a pack into Pie Town and eating pie for a long

time.







I am feeling more confident  about this trip all the time.







Side note:  with new gear, maps, food, mailing, travel, a long hike isn't

cheap.  Can't wait to get going.







-Trew















From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]

On Behalf Of bcss at bresnan.net

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:10 PM

To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net

Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?







Trew,







Free waypoint files for the entire CDT (which include the cache boxes) are

available here:  www.bearcreeksurvey.com







Take the Waypoints link on the main page and you will end up on a page where

you can download them. They were all collected with professional grade gps

and are quite accurate. There are 6972 waypoints in all for the entire trail

route, average spacing a little over ? mile.  They only apply to the

official USFS/BLM route for the CDNST so for the many possible alternate

hikes such as the Gila River, Winds, or Anaconda cutoff they won?t help, but

most of the time you will likely be on the official route.  I think Frank?s

G?s website may have some helpful data for the alternates.

https://www.sites.google.com/site/frankgilliland/cdt







The Mapbooks are spiral bound collections of 1?=3000? scale hiker maps that

show the official route and all of the waypoints with a high level of

accuracy. There is information about them on the front page of the bearcreek

website.







These are the Waypoint names for the Water Boxes between Crazy Cook and

Lordsburg:







01_137WT



01_255WT



02_194WT



03_127WT



04_198WT







There is a considerable amount of water in there in addition to the boxes.

(Farm ponds and watering tanks)  Any waypoint that ends in ?WT? is a place

we found water.  I would suggest always carrying more than you anticipate

needing in there in case one of them is dry or non functional.  If you plan

for 20 miles between water sources you could do the entire thing just using

the cache boxes.











best wishes,







Jerry Brown



mailto:bcss at bresnan.net



www.bearcreeksurvey.com







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From sloetoe at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 12 10:25:43 2016
From: sloetoe at yahoo.com (sloetoe at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:25:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Cdt-l] Haven't they stopped counting?!?!?
References: <651177730.3611207.1473693943024.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <651177730.3611207.1473693943024@mail.yahoo.com>

Years, that is --
Years since the birth of Jim Owen.

They haven't?!?!? Wow!
(Didn't know we had countable numbers that high. Sheeeee-eeeesh.)

Happy Birthday, Jim!

Spatior, ergo sum.

From spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 12 22:07:13 2016
From: spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com (Jim and_or Ginny Owen)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:07:13 -0400
Subject: [Cdt-l] Haven't they stopped counting?!?!?
In-Reply-To: <651177730.3611207.1473693943024@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <651177730.3611207.1473693943024.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <651177730.3611207.1473693943024@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-W41E77D974D5BFD4F743E7EA0FE0@phx.gbl>

Tom - "They" haven't stopped counting, but I have.  Thank you
Jim

http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/

> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:25:43 +0000
> From: sloetoe at yahoo.com
> To: spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com; cdt-l at backcountry.net; at-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Haven't they stopped counting?!?!?
> 
> Years, that is --
> Years since the birth of Jim Owen.
> 
> They haven't?!?!? Wow!
> (Didn't know we had countable numbers that high. Sheeeee-eeeesh.)
> 
> Happy Birthday, Jim!
> 
> Spatior, ergo sum.
 		 	   		  
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From mtntrekker at charter.net  Wed Sep 14 22:01:51 2016
From: mtntrekker at charter.net (JD)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:01:51 -0500
Subject: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 13
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Didn't get the test but got the reply. 

John
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 21:42, Jim and_or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It came through to us.
> Ginny
> 
>  
> From: b.mccullough509 at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:44:07 -0400
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 13
> 
> Test
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>    1. Re: waypoints Sam Huges water Caches? (Doug Carlson)
>    2. Re: waypoints Sam Huges water Caches? (Doug Carlson)
>    3. Re: waypoints Sam Huges water Caches? (bcss at bresnan.net)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:49:27 -0700
> From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> To: "'Frank Gilliland'" <frankgilliland at gmail.com>
> Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <000001ce08cb$94383d20$bca8b760$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Frank, Everyone else,
> 
> Are the water caches shown on the BLM like Frank gave below the same caches
> as those used by Sam Hughes?
> 
> If so, I am not able to connect the waypoints for the caches in the
> bearcreek waypoints and those given the link below- or am I just reading the
> info incorrectly?
> 
> I hope I don't weary all you CDT veterans with all these questions.
> 
> It has been over 10 years now since i last used long/lat in a much simplier
> GPS then the Etrex30 I am now playing with.
> 
> This is getting more interesting all the time.
> 
> -Trew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Frank Gilliland
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:00 PM
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> 
> Yep, like Jerry says..check out his web site and download all the data you
> can digest...
> 
> also one more Google search for:   water new mexico cdt
> 
> brought up the number two link of:
> http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/continental_divide_nst.html
> 
> Click on the pdf link in the topic box of "Water" and you even have
> pictures...
> 
> "Stay Thirsty, my Friends..."
> 
> StarMan
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:15:12 -0700
> From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> To: <bcss at bresnan.net>
> Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <000a01ce08cf$2cec28d0$86c47a70$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> So is the new trail between Omega and Pie Town now in place?
> 
> 
> 
> I would love to hike it.
> 
> 
> 
> following US-60 into AZ it drops south before making its way into Phoenix
> and passes through my area about 19 miles north of where I live in Florence.
> US-60 is a very scenic route but I am not really interested in walking any
> more of it than necessary.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: bcss at bresnan.net [mailto:bcss at bresnan.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:22 PM
> To: 'Doug Carlson'; Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> 
> 
> 
> One of the big goals of the CDT is to be non-motorized.  That is why the new
> route was developed ? to put hikers on trail instead of road.   Good news is
> that the route will eventually include new trail from near Omega connecting
> to Pietown, so that town will always be part of the trail.  I have done both
> the new trail and the road walk and the new trail is definitely nicer.  If I
> were doing the trail for the first time I think I would hike to Omega then
> follow the highway to Pietown.   There is new trail planned from Pietown to
> the Malpais that will be spectacular.
> 
> 
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry Brown
> 
> (970) 403-3527    Cell: (970) 749-0496
> 
> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
> 
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: Doug Carlson [mailto:doug-sue at centurylink.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:54 PM
> To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: bcss at bresnan.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry, your  reference to the bearcreek maps and waypoints are a big help.
> 
> 
> 
> Those waypoints should get me to Silver City with no problem.
> 
> 
> 
> >From there I want to go up through the heart of the Gila Wilderness via Doc
> Campbells and on to Pie Town.  I can't imagine the official route moving
> away from Pie Town unless there was a really really good reason.  I have
> looked forward to carrying a pack into Pie Town and eating pie for a long
> time.
> 
> 
> 
> I am feeling more confident  about this trip all the time.
> 
> 
> 
> Side note:  with new gear, maps, food, mailing, travel, a long hike isn't
> cheap.  Can't wait to get going.
> 
> 
> 
> -Trew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of bcss at bresnan.net
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:10 PM
> To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> 
> 
> 
> Trew,
> 
> 
> 
> Free waypoint files for the entire CDT (which include the cache boxes) are
> available here:  www.bearcreeksurvey.com
> 
> 
> 
> Take the Waypoints link on the main page and you will end up on a page where
> you can download them. They were all collected with professional grade gps
> and are quite accurate. There are 6972 waypoints in all for the entire trail
> route, average spacing a little over ? mile.  They only apply to the
> official USFS/BLM route for the CDNST so for the many possible alternate
> hikes such as the Gila River, Winds, or Anaconda cutoff they won?t help, but
> most of the time you will likely be on the official route.  I think Frank?s
> G?s website may have some helpful data for the alternates.
> https://www.sites.google.com/site/frankgilliland/cdt
> 
> 
> 
> The Mapbooks are spiral bound collections of 1?=3000? scale hiker maps that
> show the official route and all of the waypoints with a high level of
> accuracy. There is information about them on the front page of the bearcreek
> website.
> 
> 
> 
> These are the Waypoint names for the Water Boxes between Crazy Cook and
> Lordsburg:
> 
> 
> 
> 01_137WT
> 
> 01_255WT
> 
> 02_194WT
> 
> 03_127WT
> 
> 04_198WT
> 
> 
> 
> There is a considerable amount of water in there in addition to the boxes.
> (Farm ponds and watering tanks)  Any waypoint that ends in ?WT? is a place
> we found water.  I would suggest always carrying more than you anticipate
> needing in there in case one of them is dry or non functional.  If you plan
> for 20 miles between water sources you could do the entire thing just using
> the cache boxes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry Brown
> 
> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
> 
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:44:02 -0700
> From: <bcss at bresnan.net>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> To: "'Doug Carlson'" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
> Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <000401ce092f$69106c80$3b314580$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Omega to Pietown is not built yet.  You would have to walk along the
> highway.
> 
> 
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry Brown
> 
>  <mailto:bcss at bresnan.net> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
> 
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: Doug Carlson [mailto:doug-sue at centurylink.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:15 PM
> To: bcss at bresnan.net
> Cc: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> 
> 
> 
> So is the new trail between Omega and Pie Town now in place?
> 
> 
> 
> I would love to hike it.
> 
> 
> 
> following US-60 into AZ it drops south before making its way into Phoenix
> and passes through my area about 19 miles north of where I live in Florence.
> US-60 is a very scenic route but I am not really interested in walking any
> more of it than necessary.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: bcss at bresnan.net [mailto:bcss at bresnan.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:22 PM
> To: 'Doug Carlson'; Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> 
> 
> 
> One of the big goals of the CDT is to be non-motorized.  That is why the new
> route was developed ? to put hikers on trail instead of road.   Good news is
> that the route will eventually include new trail from near Omega connecting
> to Pietown, so that town will always be part of the trail.  I have done both
> the new trail and the road walk and the new trail is definitely nicer.  If I
> were doing the trail for the first time I think I would hike to Omega then
> follow the highway to Pietown.   There is new trail planned from Pietown to
> the Malpais that will be spectacular.
> 
> 
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry Brown
> 
> (970) 403-3527    Cell: (970) 749-0496
> 
> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
> 
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: Doug Carlson [mailto:doug-sue at centurylink.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:54 PM
> To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: bcss at bresnan.net
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry, your  reference to the bearcreek maps and waypoints are a big help.
> 
> 
> 
> Those waypoints should get me to Silver City with no problem.
> 
> 
> 
> >From there I want to go up through the heart of the Gila Wilderness via Doc
> Campbells and on to Pie Town.  I can't imagine the official route moving
> away from Pie Town unless there was a really really good reason.  I have
> looked forward to carrying a pack into Pie Town and eating pie for a long
> time.
> 
> 
> 
> I am feeling more confident  about this trip all the time.
> 
> 
> 
> Side note:  with new gear, maps, food, mailing, travel, a long hike isn't
> cheap.  Can't wait to get going.
> 
> 
> 
> -Trew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of bcss at bresnan.net
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:10 PM
> To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] waypoints Sam Huges water Caches?
> 
> 
> 
> Trew,
> 
> 
> 
> Free waypoint files for the entire CDT (which include the cache boxes) are
> available here:  www.bearcreeksurvey.com
> 
> 
> 
> Take the Waypoints link on the main page and you will end up on a page where
> you can download them. They were all collected with professional grade gps
> and are quite accurate. There are 6972 waypoints in all for the entire trail
> route, average spacing a little over ? mile.  They only apply to the
> official USFS/BLM route for the CDNST so for the many possible alternate
> hikes such as the Gila River, Winds, or Anaconda cutoff they won?t help, but
> most of the time you will likely be on the official route.  I think Frank?s
> G?s website may have some helpful data for the alternates.
> https://www.sites.google.com/site/frankgilliland/cdt
> 
> 
> 
> The Mapbooks are spiral bound collections of 1?=3000? scale hiker maps that
> show the official route and all of the waypoints with a high level of
> accuracy. There is information about them on the front page of the bearcreek
> website.
> 
> 
> 
> These are the Waypoint names for the Water Boxes between Crazy Cook and
> Lordsburg:
> 
> 
> 
> 01_137WT
> 
> 01_255WT
> 
> 02_194WT
> 
> 03_127WT
> 
> 04_198WT
> 
> 
> 
> There is a considerable amount of water in there in addition to the boxes.
> (Farm ponds and watering tanks)  Any waypoint that ends in ?WT? is a place
> we found water.  I would suggest always carrying more than you anticipate
> needing in there in case one of them is dry or non functional.  If you plan
> for 20 miles between water sources you could do the entire thing just using
> the cache boxes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry Brown
> 
> mailto:bcss at bresnan.net
> 
> www.bearcreeksurvey.com
> 
> 
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