<div>sounds like a good idea. I would be keen to use a data book if it ever became available- indeed I have started working on one of of my own for our hoped for 2009 trip on the CDT.</div> <div> </div> <div>I guess if some folks aren't keen on the data book then they simply don't have to look at it! The same as for any other aids such as GPS, altimeters etc</div> <div> </div> <div>A quick question Caryl. Is this databook the same one as the one from 'wolverine' in the last few weeks, or is it a different one ?</div> <div> </div> <div>brian<BR><BR><B><I>Caryl Bergeron <caryl_bergeron@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <STYLE type=text/css><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></STYLE> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times,
serif">Yes we have prepared a databook for the southern half of the CDT from Columbus to Rawlins via Jim Wolf's route. It meshes information not only from the guidebooks but from Johnathan's maps and Yogi's town guide in my attempt to get a summary that shows how the various pieces of information fit together. It is written for both NOBOs and SOBOs with a bit of favoring toward the NOBO since we went that way and since NOBOs are a bit handicapped by the SOBO favor of the guidebooks. In addition, we added a lot of odds and ends of information during our 2007 hike including water locations and the PCT style "water alerts". </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">It's not a standalone document. You would need to have the guidebooks, maps, and townguide to go
with it. Right now we are hot and heavy into getting the northern half done, or at least a preliminary version. We'll be hiking the northern half this summer and will add observations in the fall.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">At present I cannot release it to anybody. I have received permissioin to use data from both Yogi and Johnathan, but so far not from Jim Wolf. Jim is concerned about letting it out into the public domain. His very valid reason is that if people have a databook then they may not purchase the guidebooks. Without funds from the guidebooks the CDTS could not survive and those very valuable guidebooks could not be prepared, published, and updated. It's a bit of a catch 22, the databook cannot be prepared without the guidebook and the guidebooks may suffer
if there is a databook. Yogi also made a very valid point that people do occasioually hike the PCT with just a databook and often get into big trouble for not having any other information. We met someone in just such a situation, so her concerns are quite real. Since the CDT is an altogether tougher animal, the importance of not just having a databook is even more pronounced.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I have offered to gift the databook to the CDTS for them to publish and sell. But, Jim is still, very understandably, concerned about how they could be sold without impacting the sales of the guidebooks and I am concerned about how to ensure no one attempts to hike with just a databook. Yet I would very much like to see this databook made available and see that the CDTS get some
additional funds from the sale of the databook. My suggestion so far is that the databook be offered as a separate volume for each individual guidebook and only as an inclusive package; i.e. you can buy the guidebook and databook as a package or the guidebook alone but not the databook alone. My thought is that since the CDTS controls the guidebook sales through the internet this could be written into the web page. Or, without getting additional sales, the CDTS could just put the databook chapters into the guidebooks as an appendix. If anyone has any other suggestions as to how both concerns can be addressed I'm sure your ideas would find receptive ears.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Until Jim has the opportunity to decide how he wants to deal with this databook, I cannot release it.
I know you all may promise to keep it for just personal use, but you know how these things go and I don't want to go against Jim's wishes since his work is so important. The only thing I can suggest is that the hiking community begs Jim to do something. Maybe a couple of chocolate chip cookiegrams would help.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Anyway, write to Jim and let him know you'd sure love to see a databook published.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Caryl<BR><BR></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: "cdt-l-request@backcountry.net"
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charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Wolverine,<BR><BR>If you are planning to distribute a databook to the hiking community based upon the CDTS guidebooks you'd better ask permission from Jim Wolf first. It is copyrighted material. We prepared a similar databook last summer that has the same information you're planning to include plus our own 2007 observations for both northbound and southbound hikers. Jim has, understandably, been very reluctant to allow us to distribute it. We are still talking to him about having him include it in his future guidebooks as a supplement, appendix, or some other resource.<BR><BR>Caryl<BR><BR><BR> ____________________________________________________________________________________<BR>Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. <BR><A href="http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs" target=_blank>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs</A><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <A
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data book for the CDT<BR>they are willing to share. For example water data,<BR>town data, landmark... Kind of in the PCT or AT data<BR>book fashion. Willing to share?<BR><BR>Just curious if one existed.<BR><BR>Having read this discussion below I thought I would<BR>ask and of course could be contacted off list. I<BR>would only use the data book for personal use.<BR><BR>thanks,<BR>adam<BR>cdt 08<BR>--- Caryl Bergeron <<A href="mailto:caryl_bergeron@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:caryl_bergeron@yahoo.com">caryl_bergeron@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> Wolverine,<BR>> <BR>> If you are planning to distribute a databook to the<BR>> hiking community based upon the CDTS guidebooks<BR>> you'd better ask permission from Jim Wolf first. It<BR>> is copyrighted material. We prepared a similar<BR>> databook last summer that has the same information<BR>> you're planning to include plus our own 2007<BR>> observations for both
northbound and southbound<BR>> hikers. Jim has, understandably, been very<BR>> reluctant to allow us to distribute it. We are<BR>> still talking to him about having him include it in<BR>> his future guidebooks as a supplement, appendix, or<BR>> some other resource.<BR>> <BR>> Caryl<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR>____________________________________________________________________________________<BR>> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. <BR>> <A href="http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs" target=_blank>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs</A>><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>> Cdt-l mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net" ymailto="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</A><BR>><BR><A href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l" target=_blank>http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</A><BR>> <BR><BR><BR><BR>
____________________________________________________________________________________<BR>Be a better friend, newshound, and <BR>know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. <A href="http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ" target=_blank>http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ</A> <BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:11:45 -0700<BR>From: "Bob Bankhead" <<A href="mailto:wandering_bob@comcast.net" ymailto="mailto:wandering_bob@comcast.net">wandering_bob@comcast.net</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Wolverine's Databook<BR>To: <<A href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net" ymailto="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</A>><BR>Message-ID: <008501c88581$23474d90$6400a8c0@BOB><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Yogi has her CDT Handbook available for $30<BR>see <A href="http://pcthandbook.com/"
target=_blank>http://pcthandbook.com/</A> and look for it there<BR><BR> ----- Original Message ----- <BR> From: Adam Bradley <BR> To: <A href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net" ymailto="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</A> <BR> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:51 PM<BR> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Wolverine's Databook<BR><BR><BR> I tried to send this email when the cdtl seemed to be<BR> down a while back:<BR><BR><BR> Any body ever make a homemade data book for the CDT<BR> they are willing to share. For example water data,<BR> town data, landmark... Kind of in the PCT or AT data<BR> book fashion. Willing to share?<BR><BR> Just curious if one existed.<BR><BR> Having read this discussion below I thought I would<BR> ask and of course could be contacted off list. I<BR> would only use the data book for personal use.<BR><BR> thanks,<BR>
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