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<BODY id=compText>Thank you Bob. Very informative. However, for your information, my incident and the incident with Special K and Ellie that I have cited all occurred on the official route from Crazy Cook to Lordsburg and then north from Lordsburg. The rancher would not tell me his name, so I can't report it. And as stated we resolved the situation between us anyway. I think the Lunch is a great idea. Good luck! Robocop<BR><BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As the CDNST begins to establish itself in the Bootheel of NM it will eventually become more well known. As we all know, there are issues in this part of the country that have local citizens concerned about their safety, and justifiably so. Even though CDNST users have every right to be on the trail, please continue to be respectful to the current situation and understanding to those who may question your intentions of being there. The thought of traveling from <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:country-region w:st="on">Mexico</st1:country-region> to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region> on foot or horseback will still seem strange to some.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In an effort to become better neighbors, on Saturday, November 14<SUP>th</SUP> the CDTA will hosting a BBQ lunch near Hachita, NM in celebration of the Trail and have invited a lot of the local ranchers and citizens to join us. As CDTA continues to regionalize our staff we hope that these relationships will continue to strengthen as support for the Trail grows. You’re all welcome to come out and join this historic celebration. The new <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Southernmost</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">CDNST</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Monument</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> will be unveiled. Give me a call or email for more details. Hope you can join us! <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The BLM offered the following comments pertaining to legalities in this District: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">1 - The CDNST is the official route that BLM has defined for the trail and includes the purchase (by BLM) of trail easement from NM State Land Office (NMSLO) of those segments of the trail that cross their land. This official trail designation does not cross private land (on purpose), throughout the Las Cruces District Office section of the trail.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">2 - Public land is generally available for dispersed recreational use (unless specifically closed for some reason), and even though grazing operators have a permit or lease from BLM to graze their livestock, they have no authority to manage the public's use or curtail their activities, as long as the hikers are not harassing livestock or otherwise interfering with the grazing operation (tampering with livestock facilities, etc.).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">3- Most livestock operators who have NMSLO land within their ranch, likely have a grazing lease from NMSLO. This lease is different than the BLM grazing lease. In addition, the NMSLO requires a recreation permit for anyone to come onto NMSLO lands for general recreation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">4 - As you know, BLM only encourages the use of the officially designated and signed CDNST, but dispersed recreation use of public lands in other areas are a welcome use, as long as they respect the land and the other authorized users of that land. If someone who is using public land is confronted by a grazing permittee and feels that they're being harassed, they should contact us directly with particulars and as soon as possible, so that we can investigate and pursue any unlawful activities.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Eric Whte<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, November 02, 2009 10:53 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Trekker4@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Chris Honeman; CDT<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Cdt-l] harassment of hikers</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">How about sending this issue to the CDTA? I believe the general question is: Do CDT hikers still have hiking access to public lands that the BLM is leasing to ranchers in NM and elsewhere? <BR><BR>--- On <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Mon, 11/2/09, Trekker4@aol.com <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><Trekker4@aol.com></SPAN></I></SPAN></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>From: Trekker4@aol.com <Trekker4@aol.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] harassment of hikers<BR>To: KS1007@aol.com, cdt-l@backcountry.net<BR>Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 12:10 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Is a BLM grazing lease similar to an apartment lease? If you lease an apartment, you have <EM><I><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">control</SPAN></FONT></I></EM> and protections, against warrantless searches, trespass, etc. Is a BLM lease of public land only for grazing, but not control, against us hiker trash trespass, on the land not a public road? I understand that public roads are public; we have public roads through ranches here in <st1:place w:st="on">Big Bend</st1:place>, but many ranchers gave up public maintenance to lock the gate at the highway. Keith, your email implies no trespass control. Do you or anyone have any legal input, just for the knowledge of it? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a message dated 10/31/2009 1:40:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, ks1007@aol.com writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'd like to add my 2 cents worth to jonathan's and ron's entries</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">this year we have had about 21 thru hikers north and southbound come through on the columbus route - ron is the only one to have any problems - he was on a county road in the middle of nowhere and a rancher rolls up on him - he was not on the trail - of course, the rancher is going to be curious as to what you are doing there - in southern new mexico many ranchers lease BLM (federal) land - the ranchers think they own the land they are leasing - they don't - don't let this isolated incident scare you away from doing the columbus route - if you do run into a disgruntled rancher try to find out what ranch he is from and let me know - I will go out there and talk with them - like I said earlier this is one person out of 21- if you stay on the trail you are in the middle of nowhere and most likely will not be seen - one of the ranchers this past spring invited 2 nobo's to his house for dinner</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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