<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">We have a Garmin colorado 400 t with the loaded tracks used this past yr by Mike on the cdt. Will sell for $300 if any one is interested.<div><br></div><div>Mary Lacoursiere<br><div><div>On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:00 PM, <a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Send Cdt-l mailing list submissions to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>cdt-l-request@backcountry.net<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Cdt-l digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: GPS and Maps (howzit done?) (Jack Haskel)<br> 2. GPS and Maps (howzit done?) (Frank Gilliland)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:01:25 -0700<br>From: Jack Haskel <norcalhiker@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] GPS and Maps (howzit done?)<br>To: Sly <hikertrash@gmail.com><br>Cc: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>Message-ID: <5FB12837-A8E3-46A2-8F6C-77415D1C0DB5@gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br>Thanks for the helpful advice ya'll. To summarize some of what I've learned:<br><br>- The Garmin Colorado/Oregon GPS have added value as they include 100k maps at no extra charge. <br>- Everyone that commented had used 100k maps, no one had used 24k maps. <br>- Don't buy the preloaded microSD cards. Buying the CD and loading your own cards means you have a backup for the maps if you loose/damage the microSD card. <br>- Out of Order's track file of the CDT is great, and can be sent to you by email from people on the list.<br>- There are free 24k maps available from http://www.miscjunk.org/ <br><br><br>Some further questions....<br><br>- Really? Everyone uses 100k maps? It seems like the 24k maps would be SO much better. <br>- Anyone have comments on the 24k maps from miscjunk.org ?<br>- Can anyone tell me more about Out of Orders track log? How come it's not available online?<br><br>I haven't read Yogi's comments on GPS as I'm waiting for her to update the guide. But I'm buying my GPS before I buy the guide. Anything in there that is important to know?<br><br>At the moment, the options are looking like:<br><br>- Colorado 400t is $300 on ebay, and I'll just use the preloaded maps. <br>- The Legend and Vista end up being ~50-80 cheaper after I buy the 100k maps. <br><br> - jack<br><br>On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Sly wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">While using the Wolf books I found a wrist watch altimeter to come in handy on several occasions and was able to make the right decision or correct a bad turn. A few times I used a Garmin Legend loaded with the mapsource topo maps suggested in Yogi's book and the compass rose on Jonathan's maps to place myself on the trail looking at both maps.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I honestly welcomed the "where am I moments" as it gave me time to sit down and reflect about the hike. Getting truly lost wasn't a major concern. It was all good.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sly<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Marshall Karon wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I also used the Garmin Vista HCx. I would get the Legend without the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">altimeter if the price is better. Never used the altimeter or the electronic<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">compass. I never found the barometric altimeter to be useful because you<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">need to calibrate it each time you turn on the unit. The satellite altimeter<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">was good enough. Besides, with maps indicating your location and the contour<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">on the map giving you the calculated altitude at that spot (presuming the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">maps were correct), you don't really need an altimeter.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The unit worked very well and the battery life is really good. The screen<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">was adequate. Remembering which buttons to push was a little bit of a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">challenge. I used the carrying case for protection. The unit was normally<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">off - on only when I needed to check where I was (and sometimes, that seemed<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">like every 5 minutes).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The GPS will NOT keep you from getting "misplaced". The biggest issue was<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">figuring out which map I was on and where I was on the map. Practice that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">before you go. You need to set your GPS up correctly. It would be nice to be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">able to put a compass rose on a local map for practicing. Also realize that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">not all trails and roads are on the maps (some are new) and some trails and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">roads that are on the maps are no longer. But how reassuring it was when the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">GPS showed the trail, showed you are on it, and the paper maps were the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">same.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">As for the GPS maps, I would get the disc and download the maps I wanted<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">onto the micro SD. That way you always have a backup. Of course, you do need<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to select the area you want and that was not always easy.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I only used the TOPO 2008 maps - some details were not so good and sometimes<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the maps had the trails wrong in place. Garmin does say the 24K maps are<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">more up to date and give much more detail. <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">When you buy, look for a deal on a package - unit plus maps together.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Marshall Karon<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Portland, OR<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net]<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Behalf Of Jack Haskel<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:05 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [Cdt-l] GPS and Maps (howzit done?)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hey Ya'll,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I'm buying my GPS for the CDT 2010. I'm leaning towards the Garmin<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Vista HCx. But what do I do for maps for the unit? Do people really buy the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">TOPO Mountain South, Central and North 24k memory cards? That's $300 extra<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">dollars! <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Cheers,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> jack<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cdt-l mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cdt-l@backcountry.net<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cdt-l mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cdt-l@backcountry.net<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:00:44 -0700<br>From: Frank Gilliland <frankgilliland@comcast.net><br>Subject: [Cdt-l] GPS and Maps (howzit done?)<br>To: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>Message-ID: <AB0F1425-DEA9-47B0-B065-F65A66433F51@comcast.net><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Hey Jack.....way to get a Thread going!<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(I will add some more comments below)<br><br>****************************************************<br><br>Thanks for the helpful advice ya'll. To summarize some of what I've learned:<br><br>- The Garmin Colorado/Oregon GPS have added value as they include 100k maps at no extra charge. <br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(plus a better screen and user interface)<br><br>- Everyone that commented had used 100k maps, no one had used 24k maps. <br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(the 24k are fairly new and the topo 2008 has been the standard)<br><br>- Don't buy the preloaded microSD cards. Buying the CD and loading your own cards means you have a backup for the maps if you loose/damage the microSD card. <br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(plus you can use the extra space on the micro SD for POI points (POI points are waypoints converted to POI file, you can save and view thousands of POI points)<br><br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(and having the DVD version allows you to view your data on a PC or Mac)<br><br>- Out of Order's track file of the CDT is great, and can be sent to you by email from people on the list.<br><br>(Please send me any other format of any kind of track files or waypoint files. I am working on a track and way point Library to distribute to any and all. I have Triple o's data and I will compare to my on files....Will report back soon)<br><br><br>- There are free 24k maps available from <br>http://www.miscjunk.org/<br> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>( interesting site. I will be playing with their map sets and comment later!)<br><br><br>Some further questions....<br><br>- Really? Everyone uses 100k maps? It seems like the 24k maps would be SO much better. <br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(Still real new)<br><br>- Anyone have comments on the 24k maps from miscjunk.org ?<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(will look at real soon)<br><br>- Can anyone tell me more about Out of Orders track log? How come it's not available online?<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(I am reviewing it now and will comment on it later)<br><br>I haven't read Yogi's comments on GPS as I'm waiting for her to update the guide. But I'm buying my GPS before I buy the guide. Anything in there that is important to know?<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(As of the last update, the listing was for the older TOPO files)<br><br>At the moment, the options are looking like:<br><br>- Colorado 400t is $300 on ebay, and I'll just use the preloaded maps. <br>- The Legend and Vista end up being ~50-80 cheaper after I buy the 100k maps. <br><br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(The main thing is to get a GPS and LEARN how it works and how to work the files. The main thing to know is how to load and use track files, waypoints, maps, and POI points)<br><br> - jack<br>(StarMan)<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20091210/d120ba61/attachment-0001.html <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Cdt-l mailing list<br>Cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br><br><br>End of Cdt-l Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10<br>*************************************<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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