<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">It's nothing if not instructive, though. I mean, constructing cairns and no tread certainly *seems* like a great way to bring a new section of CDT on-line in open terrain like that. <br><br>Eat a cow, support an entire industry of cairn kickers. ;-)<br><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 1/6/10, Sly <i>&lt;hikertrash@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Sly &lt;hikertrash@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Kicking cairns<br>To: "CDT Mailing List" &lt;cdt-l@backcountry.net&gt;<br>Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 10:43 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Yup that was the stretch.&nbsp; Figures.&nbsp; Those stupid things.&nbsp; &nbsp; Think I'll <br>go eat one.&nbsp; heh<br><br>Sly<br><br>Brett wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;I can't remember<br>&gt; exactly but in one section in
 northern NM, it appeared all the 2-3 foot<br>&gt; high cairn had been knocked over.&nbsp; Since there were so many, I<br>&gt; questioned whether it had been done deliberately or by snow/ice melt,<br>&gt; but what was erect in '02 were knocked down in '07.&lt;&lt; <br>&gt;<br>&gt; Three words: COWS COWS COWS!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Sounds like maybe the stretch from Ojo de los Indios over the mesa <br>&gt; toward Rio Puerco, ie part of the New Mexico Mountain Club adopted <br>&gt; "cairned route."<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --- On *Wed, 1/6/10, Sly /&lt;<a ymailto="mailto:hikertrash@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=hikertrash@gmail.com">hikertrash@gmail.com</a>&gt;/* wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;From: Sly &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:hikertrash@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=hikertrash@gmail.com">hikertrash@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Kicking cairns<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;To: "CDT
 Mailing List" &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net" href="/mc/compose?to=cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:01 PM<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hmmm, not sure where you hiked but there's plenty of sections of<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;trail<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that are only marked by cairns&nbsp; in every state.&nbsp; I can't remember<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;exactly but in one section in northern NM, it appeared all the 2-3<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;foot<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;high cairn had been knocked over.&nbsp; Since there were so many, I<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;questioned whether it had been done deliberately or by snow/ice melt,<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;but what was erect in '02 were knocked down in '07.&nbsp; From being<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;easy to<br>&gt;&nbsp;
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;see were just barely visible above the grass.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, the CDT isn't as easy to follow as the AT or PCT, it's not all<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that difficult either.&nbsp; To be honest I hope it's never marked as<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;well. <br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I prefer the challenge rather than walking mindless single track.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;YMMV,<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sly<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a ymailto="mailto:lwgear@juno.com" href="/mc/compose?to=lwgear@juno.com">lwgear@juno.com</a> &lt;/mc/compose?to=<a ymailto="mailto:lwgear@juno.com" href="/mc/compose?to=lwgear@juno.com">lwgear@juno.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; My experience (1700 miles) on the CDT this past summer revealed<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that<br>&gt;&nbsp;
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; alot of so-called cairns marking the ever-elusive CDT route are<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; nothing more than a single stone on top of a larger stone.<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sometimes<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; you might actually get two or three piled together that some kind<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; hiker, previously lost and frustrated, took a minute to assemble.<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; Rarely did I ever see what would be considered a cairn built<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;with hard<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; labor. You know, a couple feet high, big stones that even ATVers<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;might<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; be dissuaded by.<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; So who knows? Maybe Jack was accidentally stumbling over a few<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;rocks<br>&gt;&nbsp;
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; without even knowing what he was doing. I'm being somewhat<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;facetious<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; but the point is...the CDT is horribly marked and until the<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;government<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; overseers get their act together, we'll always be desperate for<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; ways--Ley maps, GPS routes, Wolf books, prayer--to stay on-track.<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; lynne whelden<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; PS The dictionary defines cairns as "a heap of stones piled up as a<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; memorial or as a landmark."<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;
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