<html>
<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">
<style>
<!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
p
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
span.EmailStyle18
{font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
</head>
<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regarding non-river crossing with wet,
cold, freezing weather: I found that my shoes were really too small for the
extra sealskins and normal socks. Removing the socks and just wearing the
sealskins left my feet cold but dry. Plastic bags tore very easily and left my
feet wet from perspiration – and thus still cold. I still have not found
a good solution. I think that if you are consistently in cold weather, larger
shoes, normal socks, and sealskins might work. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regarding river crossings – normally
you need something on your feet to protect them and give you traction. I
normally remove my socks and inner soles and go through with just the shoes on.
If the distance is long and the water very cold, my feet will hurt. It really
is bad if you need to cross at the end of the day and there is freezing
weather. Unless you bring your wet shoes into your shelter/sleeping bag (wrapped
in extra plastic bags), they will be frozen in the morning. And hiking in ice
cubes is really is terrible.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Marshall</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> Karon</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Portland, </span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>OR</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>doug-sue71@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sunday, January
17, 2010</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>10:00 AM</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>cdt-l@backcountry.net</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Cdt-l] Wet foot =
Cold foot / vapour barriers etc</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>A system that worked for
me in river crossings is this: I would back a pair of extra sturdy
insoles. At a river crossing I would remove my boots and insert the
insoles into my socks, then wade across. On the other side I would wring
the socks out and hang them on the back of my pack with the wet insoles, slip
on a pair of dry socks and boots and keep on going. The process is tiring
on multiple crossings and I just plunge in with boots on. </span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></p>
<p style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>-RedDoug in Michigan<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Andrew West" <mountain739@yahoo.com><br>
To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:50:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: [Cdt-l] Wet foot = Cold foot / vapour barriers etc</span></font></p>
<table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=576
style='width:6.0in;margin-left:.5in'>
<tr>
<td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Guys</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks for your thoughts on the vapour barrier / wet
/ cold foot problem</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Its seems the consensus is to use</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>plastic bags and/or sealskins (or some similar
material)</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I must admit I was using bags in Washington when I
was hiking with wet feet day after day. They did help me reach the next
supply point but I guess my problems were made worse by using a non
waterproof shoe. If I was using goretex runners with my big gaitors maybe my
feet would have been a bit drier and not go so sore. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>As to the cold water crossings I guess I will just
have to do as before....grit my teeth...emerge on the far bank and do some
silly dancing to warm up! Yeah a couple of bin liners could help here although
may give more drag in the current?</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>One river crossing in the Sierra....early morning, I
heard D&A crossing the water and Dan calling out in pain. I said to
myself..'yeah what a sissy!'.....when I crossed myself, I quickly started
calling out in pain......man that was some seriously cold water (and yes I am
a sissy)</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best of luck</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dryfoot / Andy West</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a
href="http://blog.andywestactive.com/" target="_blank">http://blog.andywestactive.com/</a></span></font></p>
</div>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
<br>
_______________________________________________ Cdt-l mailing list
Cdt-l@backcountry.net http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l </span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>