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Thanks Iceaxe for taking us for a 38.000 foot ride. Must have been interesting to see CDT from that vantage point. Bim, I don't know much about wild horses or the problem we seem to be having with feeding on BLM land. Thanks for the insight. Please tell us more if you have the time. I will love seeing those same horses on my trek thru CDT this May (if the snow doesn't cover Colorado for good). Rusty<br><br>> From: cdt-l-request@backcountry.net<br>> Subject: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 38<br>> To: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:31:27 -0600<br>> <br>> Send Cdt-l mailing list submissions to<br>> cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> cdt-l-request@backcountry.net<br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net<br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of Cdt-l digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Fwd: CDT Snow (ks1007@aol.com)<br>> 2. Re: Fwd: CDT Snow (Earl Needham)<br>> 3. Re: CDT Snow (Jim and_or Ginny Owen)<br>> 4. Re: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 37 (Walter Cobbs)<br>> 5. Re: Fwd: : wild horse roundup (Ed Kerr)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:02:12 -0500 (EST)<br>> From: ks1007@aol.com<br>> Subject: [Cdt-l] Fwd: CDT Snow<br>> To: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> Message-ID: <8CD75AA688F927E-E1C-2A89E@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> <br>> the gila's are under blizzard conditions today and tomorrow - they are getting their first snow of the year - not like last years 400% above normal - la nina has been pushing everything north to CO<br>> <br>> <br>> el coyote<br>> Keith and Mary<br>> Trail Angels<br>> Deming, NM<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: hetchhetchyman <hetchhetchyman@aol.com><br>> To: cdt-l <cdt-l@backcountry.net><br>> Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 9:51 pm<br>> Subject: [Cdt-l] CDT Snow<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> I was fortunate enough to fly over the CDT this afternoon on my return from Christmas in Pennsylvania.<br>> After the plane crossed Indiana there was a long spell of snow covered flats. Then in the distance I saw the Rockies.<br>> The plane was headed for Las Vegas so we flew over the CDT in what looked like Southern Colorado.<br>> Those snow covered crags gave me goose bumps. <br>> I was on the starboard side of the plane and through my window I could see the physical divide clearly.<br>> I imagined a line of steps down there reaching from the Mexican border to that of Canada.<br>> As great a vantage point as I had up at 38,000 feet, that line of steps still disappeared beyond the curve of the earth <br>> far to the north.<br>> A little later we passed over the great expanse of the Grand Canyon. <br>> It made me wonder what it would be like to follow the course of the Colorado river from Baja to the Continental Divide.<br>> Anyhow i don't know where i am gpoing with this post.<br>> My heart is set on hiking the AT this March. It is something I want to do even more now after visiting Pennsylvania.<br>> However I would be lying if I said I did not think about visiting all that country along the Continental Divide again.<br>> The CDT ruined me! <br>> The PCT was so "established". <br>> The CDT was utter freedom.. Now I am going to hike the AT.. a fully blazed trail!<br>> I mean, there seem to be actual shelters.. and you aparently don't really need maps on the AT.. Madness!<br>> <br>> "The good news is: you are free.. the bad news is: you don't know what to do with your freedom!"-Joseph Campbell<br>> <br>> I just wanted to share my happy CDT "sighting" from 38,000 feet today and all the crazy feelings it invoked.<br>> Forgive my frivolous post.. but i don't know any other group of people who would understand.<br>> -Iceaxe<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> dt-l mailing list<br>> dt-l@backcountry.net<br>> ttp://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20101229/064eb1bf/attachment-0001.html <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:24:23 +0000<br>> From: "Earl Needham" <earl.kd5xb@gmail.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Fwd: CDT Snow<br>> To: "CDT-L" <cdt-l@backcountry.net><br>> Message-ID:<br>> <1095993702-1293654263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1833720299-@bda914.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><br>> <br>> Content-Type: text/plain<br>> <br>> Boy, ya' got that right! I'm snowed in, in Durango, Colorado -- it's supposed to snow for 2 days and be 9 below on Friday!<br>> <br>> Wolf Creek Pass is a mess & I'm sure glad NOT to be up there!<br>> <br>> Earl<br>> <br>> KD5XB -- Earl Needham http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT Posted via Blackberry<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: ks1007@aol.com<br>> Sender: cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net<br>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:02:12 <br>> To: <cdt-l@backcountry.net><br>> Subject: [Cdt-l] Fwd: CDT Snow<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Cdt-l mailing list<br>> Cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:04:48 -0500<br>> From: Jim and_or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99@hotmail.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] CDT Snow<br>> To: <hetchhetchyman@aol.com>, cdt-l <cdt-l@backcountry.net><br>> Message-ID: <SNT120-W318F6DD9852013952ED6C5A0020@phx.gbl><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> <br>> You really know how to hurt a guy. <br>> Thank you. <br>> Jim<br>> <br>> http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> To: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> From: hetchhetchyman@aol.com<br>> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:51:13 -0500<br>> Subject: [Cdt-l] CDT Snow<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> I was fortunate enough to fly over the CDT this afternoon on my return from Christmas in Pennsylvania.<br>> After the plane crossed Indiana there was a long spell of snow covered flats. Then in the distance I saw the Rockies.<br>> The plane was headed for Las Vegas so we flew over the CDT in what looked like Southern Colorado.<br>> Those snow covered crags gave me goose bumps. <br>> I was on the starboard side of the plane and through my window I could see the physical divide clearly.<br>> I imagined a line of steps down there reaching from the Mexican border to that of Canada.<br>> As great a vantage point as I had up at 38,000 feet, that line of steps still disappeared beyond the curve of the earth <br>> far to the north.<br>> A little later we passed over the great expanse of the Grand Canyon. <br>> It made me wonder what it would be like to follow the course of the Colorado river from Baja to the Continental Divide.<br>> Anyhow i don't know where i am gpoing with this post.<br>> My heart is set on hiking the AT this March. It is something I want to do even more now after visiting Pennsylvania.<br>> However I would be lying if I said I did not think about visiting all that country along the Continental Divide again.<br>> The CDT ruined me! <br>> The PCT was so "established". <br>> The CDT was utter freedom.. Now I am going to hike the AT.. a fully blazed trail!<br>> I mean, there seem to be actual shelters.. and you aparently don't really need maps on the AT.. Madness!<br>> <br>> "The good news is: you are free.. the bad news is: you don't know what to do with your freedom!"-Joseph Campbell<br>> <br>> I just wanted to share my happy CDT "sighting" from 38,000 feet today and all the crazy feelings it invoked.<br>> Forgive my frivolous post.. but i don't know any other group of people who would understand.<br>> -Iceaxe<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________ Cdt-l mailing list Cdt-l@backcountry.net http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20101229/88db5783/attachment-0001.html <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:28:59 -0500<br>> From: Walter Cobbs <walter.cobbs@gmail.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 37<br>> To: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <AANLkTin5j2bbYGnVkm7c0Fw3uxchq3aqXcWTiQJbrEQB@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> Iceaxe--<br>> <br>> Re your "frivolous" post. Put your feet on the ground. They will find<br>> their way.<br>> <br>> Walt in Pennsylvania<br>> <br>> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 1:00 PM, <cdt-l-request@backcountry.net> wrote:<br>> <br>> > Send Cdt-l mailing list submissions to<br>> > cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> ><br>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> > cdt-l-request@backcountry.net<br>> ><br>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> > cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net<br>> ><br>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> > than "Re: Contents of Cdt-l digest..."<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Today's Topics:<br>> ><br>> > 1. CDT Snow (hetchhetchyman@aol.com)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 1<br>> > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:51:13 -0500 (EST)<br>> > From: hetchhetchyman@aol.com<br>> > Subject: [Cdt-l] CDT Snow<br>> > To: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> > Message-ID: <8CD752B270E1B91-1130-14EDB@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I was fortunate enough to fly over the CDT this afternoon on my return from<br>> > Christmas in Pennsylvania.<br>> > After the plane crossed Indiana there was a long spell of snow covered<br>> > flats. Then in the distance I saw the Rockies.<br>> > The plane was headed for Las Vegas so we flew over the CDT in what looked<br>> > like Southern Colorado.<br>> > Those snow covered crags gave me goose bumps.<br>> > I was on the starboard side of the plane and through my window I could see<br>> > the physical divide clearly.<br>> > I imagined a line of steps down there reaching from the Mexican border to<br>> > that of Canada.<br>> > As great a vantage point as I had up at 38,000 feet, that line of steps<br>> > still disappeared beyond the curve of the earth<br>> > far to the north.<br>> > A little later we passed over the great expanse of the Grand Canyon.<br>> > It made me wonder what it would be like to follow the course of the<br>> > Colorado river from Baja to the Continental Divide.<br>> > Anyhow i don't know where i am gpoing with this post.<br>> > My heart is set on hiking the AT this March. It is something I want to do<br>> > even more now after visiting Pennsylvania.<br>> > However I would be lying if I said I did not think about visiting all that<br>> > country along the Continental Divide again.<br>> > The CDT ruined me!<br>> > The PCT was so "established".<br>> > The CDT was utter freedom.. Now I am going to hike the AT.. a fully blazed<br>> > trail!<br>> > I mean, there seem to be actual shelters.. and you aparently don't really<br>> > need maps on the AT.. Madness!<br>> ><br>> > "The good news is: you are free.. the bad news is: you don't know what to<br>> > do with your freedom!"-Joseph Campbell<br>> ><br>> > I just wanted to share my happy CDT "sighting" from 38,000 feet today and<br>> > all the crazy feelings it invoked.<br>> > Forgive my frivolous post.. but i don't know any other group of people who<br>> > would understand.<br>> > -Iceaxe<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20101228/406dca14/attachment-0001.html<br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Cdt-l mailing list<br>> > Cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > End of Cdt-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 37<br>> > *************************************<br>> ><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20101229/b99c395f/attachment-0001.html <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 5<br>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:31:27 -0700<br>> From: Ed Kerr <edkerr52@hotmail.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Fwd: : wild horse roundup<br>> To: <blisterfree@yahoo.com>, cdt backcountry <cdt-l@backcountry.net><br>> Message-ID: <BLU158-w40C7F5B1CD4BB103F2A2E5C7030@phx.gbl><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> <br>> Your comment about wild horses are better for the range than cattle is not true. If wild horses are left unchecked, nature is the cruelist manager of all, overpopulation results in herd management by starvation or disease. You have a biased attitude toward cattle and the industry, using the word "rancher" as some would use the "n" word. I love the land, I enjoy ranching in the desert southwest, and I think we as a nation should use our resources, such as BLM range, to the best use which includes sustainable ag. Some would have us lock up everything and not use it. In that case, their would be no wildlife or wild horses in the west due to lack of water resources, which have been provided by cattle ranchers and maintained by those ranchers. The CDT trail through Hidalgo County is over 75 miles with no water sources, other than those provided by cattle water, which provides this life giving liquid to deer, antelope, quail, javelina, mountain lion, and much more...<br>> <br>> I would be glad to visit with you. I would love to show you our part of the CDT trail through our cattle ranch. We maintain cattle numbers to not use more than 50% of the forage and grasses that grow each year from natural rainfall. The grass stays healthy and the cattle do well, along with all the wildlife. We rotate our cattle through different pastures throughout the year, so that some pastures are rested 6 months or more each year. No modern rancher would ever overgraze. In fact, it is impossible to overgraze, cows die before they eat all the grass or destroy it. In a drought, the feed value of the feed goes down and the cattle lose condition, we always sell off our herd during dry years. To do otherwise would be suicidal in a business sense.<br>> <br>> Have you been through the CDT?<br>> <br>> Ed "Bim" Kerr<br>> Kerr Ranch Tours<br>> edkerr52@hotmail.com<br>> 575.313.2606<br>> www.kerrranchtours.com<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> > Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:52:57 -0500<br>> > From: blisterfree@yahoo.com<br>> > To: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> > Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Fwd: : wild horse roundup<br>> > <br>> > When we cut through the rhetoric, we recognize that wild horses, while <br>> > not indigenous to the West, are nonetheless ancestral to western North <br>> > America, and that the land is far more suited to their style of grazing <br>> > than that of today's beef cow. Of course the BLM's notion of <br>> > "sustainable conditions" is largely an economic principle. The grazing <br>> > allotment is for the benefit of the beef ranching industry, and that <br>> > industry, subsidized by the BLM, gets to decide when and with what they <br>> > share their range. From their point of view, overpopulation is mostly a <br>> > synonym for economic threat. But of course from a biological <br>> > perspective, overpopulation by cattle is simply the devastating status <br>> > quo that is pushing the land to the brink, evolving it to shape the <br>> > requirements of an industry at the expense of native biodiversity. The <br>> > industry's defense remains that this status quo is necessary, because <br>> > the only perceived alternative, however false, is for the rancher to <br>> > abandon his relationship with the land, to give up ranching altogether. <br>> > And this false binary logic maintains a culture of permissiveness on the <br>> > part of BLM out of fear of damaging the relationship, of losing what <br>> > little faith and cooperation the ranching industry continues to uphold <br>> > with the government.<br>> > <br>> > Had the wild horses of North America survived the last ice age, then <br>> > today we might be eating horse burgers and reading about how the <br>> > natives, skilled equestrians, successfully drove off the invading <br>> > Conquistadors and their cattle. Food for thought.<br>> > <br>> > - blisterfree<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Cdt-l mailing list<br>> > Cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20101229/774d8fad/attachment.html <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Cdt-l mailing list<br>> Cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l<br>> <br>> <br>> End of Cdt-l Digest, Vol 39, Issue 38<br>> *************************************<br> </body>
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