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From: Patricia Mazzolini <pmazzolini@yahoo.com><br>
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Sent: Thu, Jan 6, 2011 1:11 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 4<br>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12px" id=AOLMsgPart_0_6ab761ff-63a7-47b0-b8ce-41b2aa6fafd3><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><TT>Just my two cents on rattlesnakes- Snakes are blind just prior to shedding their
skins when the spectacle which is the translucent scale that covers their
eyeball turns milky during this time they remain quiet unless disturbed. Once
the skin is shed they can see clearly and begin to move about again. Snakes also
shed their skins on a variable schedule which varies with their food intake.
Fast growing snakes-ie those who are ingesting alot of prey items-shed more
frequently. Rattlesnake venom causes tissue necrosis, swelling and sloughing of
tissue in animals as well as red blood cell abnormalities and low platlets which
can lead to problems.The mojave rattlesnake adds in a neurotoxin as well, which
is what the coral snake has. Most reptiles are the most active they will be
during the mating season and after summer moonson rains. The aggressiveness of
any individual rattlesnake is a function of its species and its body
temperature. Most importantly rattlesnakes are not out to bite humans but are
biting defensively if you inadvertantly place your hand or foot too close. Thank
goodness they do rattle as a warning. I have had rattlesnakes rattle from a
distance of 20 feet or so or as I almost stepped on one not seeing it but it did
not strike. A cold diamondback youngster I encountered in November in a pocket
of cliff did not even move much less rattle when I had placed my hand in a hold
and drew up even with it on a bank on a cold day in Bandelier National Monument
in NM. Rattlesnakes eat tremendous amounts of rodents and are an essential part
of the ecosystems they occur in. They are never out to bite humans except in
self defense-Hollywood movies to the contrary. Plastic
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I was packing my tent in MT last year and turned around to find a black bull and
cow literally standing 10 yards away staring at me.
The cow was more skittish, but the bull proceeded to pilfer my belongings until
I "fussed" loudly...the devil!
Ellie
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On 1/1/2011 8:01 PM, Ed Kerr wrote:
Cattle are peculiar creatures, so different from breed to breed and
ranch to ranch. I have some cattle that are very wild and will run when
they see you from a distance, and then I have cows that will stand there
and let you ride or walk almost right up to them. If you watch the
movie, Temple Grandin, it does a good job in one scene where she lays
down in the corral and the cattle dome up to her and gather all around
her. As curiousity kills the cat, cattle are very curious if they don't
feel threatened. That flight signal in them is very strong and seems
more reactive to movement on "the intruder's" part than anything. If
you are still, or move very slowly you can approach are get very close,
but a quick step, making noise, or even flap your coattail, it will
cause a fast flight response in a lot of cattle.
On rattlesnakes: Cattle are seldom bitten by a snake, but when they
are it is usually in the head or neck, i.e. the grazing animal is slowly
moving along eating and accidentally provokes an unsuspecting snake,
which bites. In my lifetime of being around cattle I have only two
snakebit cows, but both cases survived although the swelling in
their head and neck was huge and turned hard and they were along time
recuperating. A few years ago I had two yearling colts in the corral at
my house, I never saw the snake but they both got snakebit in the nose,
obviuosly their curiousity almost got them, they must have both been
curious not knowing what they were looking at and actually reached down
to smell the snake and got bit. They both survived but the one I really
got worried was going to strangle from swelling in the nose and throat.
Now, rattlesnakes here are the most dangerous in August, because they
are blinded after shedding their skin, so being blind most snakes will
not rattle, but are listening to locate your approach, which if you are
not watching, will result in either stepping on or near the snake which
risks being bit. The ones that don't do this, react by being very
aggressive and start rattling when they first here your step....I
appreciate those much more. I never walk outside unless I am
watching the ground where I place my foot.
Has there been much interaction on the CDT with rattlesnakes?
have a great day.
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> I'd just spooked a bunch of cows in the draw
> before climbing up the ridge. While I was setting up my pad and
> sleeping bag in the tent, seventeen of them lined up side by side about
> 50 yards away staring toward my tent as if to say, "What do you think
> you're doing here." Sadly they wondered off before I got a chance to
> snap a picture.
> --Handlebar
It seems they do this whenever the light is insufficient to know exactly
what you are and what you're up to. I've never witnessed this behavior
in broad daylight; in fact it's the antithesis of the "every cow for
herself" scattering that usually occurs by day. What's more, the cows
will actually follow you sometimes, if you're night hiking, always
maintaining a certain distance behind you, stopping when you stop,
resuming when you move again. I imagine it's a genetic thing, dating
back to a time when their wild ancestors encountered large predators in
Africa and Europe, etc. It may yet serve them well, particularly in
Arizona where mountain lion predations are sometimes a concern.
I'm curious as to whether rattlesnakes are a concern for cattle. Do they
respond to the sight or sound of snakes? What are the consequences of
snakebite in this case? The story goes that poisonous snakes evolved the
rattle as a form of advertisement to large grazing animals, in order to
avoid confrontation and the risk of being stepped on. But what are the
odds of a hiker ever getting to find out firsthand how such an encounter
would play out?
- blisterfree
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Subject: [Cdt-l] Heavy Snowpack in Colorado
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Article and maps fyi.
<A href="http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17021539" target=_blank>http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17021539</A>
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Subject: [Cdt-l] Fwd: Heavy Snowpack in Colorado
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like I said - la nina is sending almost all storms north to CO - very little
snow in the gila's
el coyote
Keith and Mary
Trail Angels
Deming, NM
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Article and maps fyi.
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