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AJ - <BR>If anyone waged war on CDTA, it would be me. It took them 4 years to get around to the policy <BR>that CDTS adopted in 1979 - no motorized use on the CDT. There's more - a lot more, but it's all <BR>irrelevant now so your apparent defense of the organization is your problem and nobody else cares. <BR> <BR>Cupcake - I didn't get his post, don't have a clue what he said - but he's been a friend, is a thruhiker, <BR>and just doesn't perpetrate the kind of attack you perceive. Not sure why you think he pissed in <BR>your Wheaties, but, as you said, get over it - you're being a PITA. And you're making the organization <BR>you support so vociferously look bad. <BR> <BR>BTW, so far everyone you've attacked is a past thruhiker - are you? <BR> <BR>Jim <br><br>http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/<br> <BR><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: wingnut.hiker@gmail.com<br>To: longhiker.pct@gmail.com; jimniedbalski@aol.com; cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:48:53 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>This is true. We need to have this discussion. Thank You. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Wingnut</span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> jimniedbalski@aol.com; cdt-l@backcountry.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>This is a crock. You have thrived on user conflicts for years. You waged an incessant, protracted war against CDTA. What is amazing to me is that even after CDTA bit the dust, you can’t let it go. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>The trail will be fine, I think, but you have become irrelevant. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>AJ (longhiker)</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'><a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a></span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(13, 13, 13); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> <a href="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net">cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a> [<a href="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net">mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:jimniedbalski@aol.com">jimniedbalski@aol.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L</span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><div id="ecxAOLMsgPart_1_f34636db-12e3-4d43-8618-e618794a071f"><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> longhiker, perhaps you can read Cupcake's original post again. It was not a malicious attack on the MWA. he simply questioned the policy of bicycle and motorized use, and made it clear HE doesn't like it and questions the long-term impact of wheeled uses, both human and machine. In your opinion it is misguided -- that's fine -- but it wasn't rude or inappropriate. I bet lots of CDT supporters struggle with the bicycle/motorcycle issue.</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> I would also bet the MWA struggles with it as well, and it's doing the best it can.</span></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Jim</span></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Andrew <<a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com"><span style="color: windowtext;">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</span></a>><br>To: 'Mark Nienstaedt' <<a href="mailto:mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com"><span style="color: windowtext;">mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com</span></a>>; cdt-l <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net"><span style="color: windowtext;">cdt-l@backcountry.net</span></a>><br>Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 8:30 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L</span></p><div id="ecxAOLMsgPart_2_97d3826a-c405-419d-a82f-2b6bbdafed69"><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>It was not me that started this … It was started by a totally misguided, malicious attack against one of the resources that is actually doing something to improve the CDT. </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>AJ (longhiker)</span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'><a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com"><span style="color: windowtext;">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</span></a></span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></p></div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> Mark Nienstaedt [<a href="mailto:mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com"><span style="color: windowtext;">mailto:mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com</span></a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net"><span style="color: windowtext;">cdt-l@backcountry.net</span></a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com"><span style="color: windowtext;">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Civility on the CDT-L</span></p></div></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Longhiker I'm sure you are a fine person. You should check your impulses to tell other hikers to "Get over it", "Stay home", & etc., and leave off sneering about "philosophers" on the CDT-L. This is a public forum and the ethic ought to be civility. I think your substantive point that the Montana Wilderness Association is a valued organization and deserving of hiker support was a good one. But you were steadily undermining its impact with the extraneous comments. We all belong within the hiker community and should feel welcome on trail. </span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>We all support avoiding user conflicts. It's too late in the game to keep motorized recreationalists off public lands. But it is not too late to keep them off a silent, hiker dedicated CDT. That ought to be our common goal.</span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> </span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Buffalo Jump Sly! </span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>AT '02, JMT '03, LT '05, PCT '11 & aspiring to the CDT 2013...</span></p></div></div></div></div><div id="ecxAOLMsgPart_3_97d3826a-c405-419d-a82f-2b6bbdafed69"><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">_______________________________________________</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">Cdt-l mailing list</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"><a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net"><span style="color: windowtext;">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</span></a></span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l" target="_blank"><span style="color: windowtext;">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</span></a></span></tt></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________
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