<p>I feel like it isn't complete unless blister is blamed somehow. But seriously bicker all you want in personal emails. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 10, 2012 8:48 PM, <<a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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1. Re: PLEASE STOP!! (Jim and_or Ginny Owen)<br>
2. Re: Civility on the CDT-L (<a href="mailto:jimniedbalski@aol.com">jimniedbalski@aol.com</a>)<br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:13:57 -0400<br>
From: Jim and_or Ginny Owen <<a href="mailto:spiriteagle99@hotmail.com">spiriteagle99@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] PLEASE STOP!!<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:yeti1938@fultek.com">yeti1938@fultek.com</a>>, cdt-l <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>
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Yup! It IS nonsense. Name-calling is stupid and counterproductive. It IS kindergarden.<br>
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> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:00:15 -0600<br>
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> Subject: [Cdt-l] PLEASE STOP!!<br>
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> This is really getting like the pct-l now & is total nonsense! This is a<br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:14:55 -0400 (EDT)<br>
From: <a href="mailto:jimniedbalski@aol.com">jimniedbalski@aol.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L<br>
To: <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>
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I guess this is what happens when someone tries to add a call for a little tolerance. Longhiker, you are confusing me with, I assume, Jim Wolf. Did you read the address on my e-mail? I don't know you and you don't know me, and your comments have little to do with what I wrote.<br>
Jim (not Wolf)<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Wingnut <<a href="mailto:wingnut.hiker@gmail.com">wingnut.hiker@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: 'Andrew' <<a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a>>; jimniedbalski <<a href="mailto:jimniedbalski@aol.com">jimniedbalski@aol.com</a>>; cdt-l <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>
Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 9:49 pm<br>
Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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This is true. We need to have this discussion. Thank You.<br>
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Wingnut<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net">cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net">cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a>] On Behalf Of Andrew<br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:47 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:jimniedbalski@aol.com">jimniedbalski@aol.com</a>; <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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This is a crock. You have thrived on user conflicts for years. You waged an incessant, protracted war against CDTA. What is amazing to me is that even after CDTA bit the dust, you can?t let it go.<br>
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The trail will be fine, I think, but you have become irrelevant.<br>
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AJ (longhiker)<br>
<a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a><br>
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From: <a href="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net">cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net">cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a>] On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:jimniedbalski@aol.com">jimniedbalski@aol.com</a><br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:47 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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longhiker, perhaps you can read Cupcake's original post again. It was not a malicious attack on the MWA. he simply questioned the policy of bicycle and motorized use, and made it clear HE doesn't like it and questions the long-term impact of wheeled uses, both human and machine. In your opinion it is misguided -- that's fine -- but it wasn't rude or inappropriate. I bet lots of CDT supporters struggle with the bicycle/motorcycle issue.<br>
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I would also bet the MWA struggles with it as well, and it's doing the best it can.<br>
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Jim<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Andrew <<a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: 'Mark Nienstaedt' <<a href="mailto:mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com">mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com</a>>; cdt-l <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>
Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 8:30 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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It was not me that started this ? It was started by a totally misguided, malicious attack against one of the resources that is actually doing something to improve the CDT.<br>
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AJ (longhiker)<br>
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<a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a><br>
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From: Mark Nienstaedt [mailto:<a href="mailto:mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com">mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:05 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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Longhiker I'm sure you are a fine person. You should check your impulses to tell other hikers to "Get over it", "Stay home", & etc., and leave off sneering about "philosophers" on the CDT-L. This is a public forum and the ethic ought to be civility. I think your substantive point that the Montana Wilderness Association is a valued organization and deserving of hiker support was a good one. But you were steadily undermining its impact with the extraneous comments. We all belong within the hiker community and should feel welcome on trail.<br>
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We all support avoiding user conflicts. It's too late in the game to keep motorized recreationalists off public lands. But it is not too late to keep them off a silent, hiker dedicated CDT. That ought to be our common goal.<br>
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Buffalo Jump Sly!<br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:48:13 -0400 (EDT)<br>
From: <a href="mailto:ks1007@aol.com">ks1007@aol.com</a><br>
Subject: [Cdt-l] Fwd: Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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wow - for once it's not me being yelled at but still good reading<br>
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Keith and Mary<br>
Deming, NM<br>
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From: jimniedbalski <<a href="mailto:jimniedbalski@aol.com">jimniedbalski@aol.com</a>><br>
To: cdt-l <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>
Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 6:47 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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longhiker, perhaps you can read Cupcake's original post again. It was not a malicious attack on the MWA. he simply questioned the policy of bicycle and motorized use, and made it clear HE doesn't like it and questions the long-term impact of wheeled uses, both human and machine. In your opinion it is misguided -- that's fine -- but it wasn't rude or inappropriate. I bet lots of CDT supporters struggle with the bicycle/motorcycle issue.<br>
I would also bet the MWA struggles with it as well, and it's doing the best it can.<br>
Jim<br>
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From: Andrew <<a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: 'Mark Nienstaedt' <<a href="mailto:mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com">mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com</a>>; cdt-l <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>
Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 8:30 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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It was not me that started this ? It was started by a totally misguided, malicious attack against one of the resources that is actually doing something to improve the CDT.<br>
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AJ (longhiker)<br>
<a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a><br>
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From: Mark Nienstaedt [mailto:<a href="mailto:mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com">mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:05 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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Longhiker I'm sure you are a fine person. You should check your impulses to tell other hikers to "Get over it", "Stay home", & etc., and leave off sneering about "philosophers" on the CDT-L. This is a public forum and the ethic ought to be civility. I think your substantive point that the Montana Wilderness Association is a valued organization and deserving of hiker support was a good one. But you were steadily undermining its impact with the extraneous comments. We all belong within the hiker community and should feel welcome on trail.<br>
<br>
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We all support avoiding user conflicts. It's too late in the game to keep motorized recreationalists off public lands. But it is not too late to keep them off a silent, hiker dedicated CDT. That ought to be our common goal.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Buffalo Jump Sly!<br>
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AT '02, JMT '03, LT '05, PCT '11 & aspiring to the CDT 2013...<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Andrew <<a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: 'Mark Nienstaedt' <<a href="mailto:mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com">mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com</a>>; cdt-l <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>
Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 8:30 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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It was not me that started this ? It was started by a totally misguided, malicious attack against one of the resources that is actually doing something to improve the CDT.<br>
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AJ (longhiker)<br>
<a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a><br>
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From: Mark Nienstaedt [mailto:<a href="mailto:mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com">mark.nienstaedt@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:05 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:longhiker.pct@gmail.com">longhiker.pct@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: Civility on the CDT-L<br>
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Longhiker I'm sure you are a fine person. You should check your impulses to tell other hikers to "Get over it", "Stay home", & etc., and leave off sneering about "philosophers" on the CDT-L. This is a public forum and the ethic ought to be civility. I think your substantive point that the Montana Wilderness Association is a valued organization and deserving of hiker support was a good one. But you were steadily undermining its impact with the extraneous comments. We all belong within the hiker community and should feel welcome on trail.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We all support avoiding user conflicts. It's too late in the game to keep motorized recreationalists off public lands. But it is not too late to keep them off a silent, hiker dedicated CDT. That ought to be our common goal.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Buffalo Jump Sly!<br>
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AT '02, JMT '03, LT '05, PCT '11 & aspiring to the CDT 2013...<br>
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