<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I wouldn't start worrying about what next spring and summer will look like at this point. El Nino is most often associated with a shift in precipitation patterns along the west coast (wetter in the Southwest - actually good for a nobo - and drier in the Northwest), rather than specific temperature patterns, but in any case almost all the models favor a weak or very weak El Nino pattern this winter. Doesn't mean nothin' at this point.<br><br>Brett<br>&nbsp;<br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 10/19/12, cdt-l-request@backcountry.net <i>&lt;cdt-l-request@backcountry.net&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: cdt-l-request@backcountry.net &lt;cdt-l-request@backcountry.net&gt;<br>Subject: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11<br>To: cdt-l@backcountry.net<br>Date: Friday, October 19, 2012, 1:00
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 digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1. Warmer then average winter coming (Peter Sustr)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:23:33 -0600<br>From: Peter Sustr &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:petersustr@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=petersustr@gmail.com">petersustr@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Cdt-l] Warmer then average winter coming<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net" href="/mc/compose?to=cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;CABwMwJPqfW7zMWGskEemFWcCJ40H+<a ymailto="mailto:ztQQVpFHTyZvd1qDMBZtw@mail.gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=ztQQVpFHTyZvd1qDMBZtw@mail.gmail.com">ztQQVpFHTyZvd1qDMBZtw@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br><br>Thinking ahead to my 2013 NOBO hike.... water challenges<br><br><br>*Elusive El Ni?o challenges NOAA?s 2012
 U.S. Winter Outlook*<br><br>October 18, 2012<br><br><br>The western half of the continental U.S. and central and northern Alaska<br>could be in for a warmer-than-average winter, while most of Florida might<br>be colder-than-normal December through February, according to NOAA?s annual<br>Winter Outlook announced today from the agency?s new Center for Weather and<br>Climate Prediction in College Park, Md.<br><br>Forecasters with NOAA?s Climate Prediction Center say a wavering El Ni?o,<br>expected to have developed by now, makes this year?s winter outlook less<br>certain than previous years.<br><br>*Continued at: **<br><a href="http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2012/20121018_winteroutlook.html*" target="_blank">http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2012/20121018_winteroutlook.html*</a>&lt;<a href="http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2012/20121018_winteroutlook.html"
 target="_blank">http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2012/20121018_winteroutlook.html</a>&gt;<br>* *<br><br>Peter&nbsp; 'CzechXpress'<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20121019/367b6de2/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20121019/367b6de2/attachment-0001.html</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Cdt-l mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net" href="/mc/compose?to=Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br><br><br>End of Cdt-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11<br>*************************************<br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table>