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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>I think I have data on that. If so I will include it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>Jerry Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>(970) 403-3527 Cell: (970) 749-0496<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'><a href="mailto:bcss@bresnan.net"><span style='color:blue'>mailto:bcss@bresnan.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'><a href="www.bearcreeksurvey.com"><span style='color:blue'>www.bearcreeksurvey.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Williams<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jackie McDonnell<br><b>Cc:</b> CDT Emaillist<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cdt-l] Bearcreek Maps of alternate routes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'll second the addition of Knapsack Col. It's one of the most beautiful spots on the trail, and it is the Divide. It's also a wonderful climb up the snowfield with no really dangerous run out at the bottom, at least at the time of year I hiked it. Kudos Jerry. This will be a terrific addition to the available navigation sources as most of us want to hit many of those alternates.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Shroomer<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Jackie McDonnell <<a href="mailto:yogihikes@gmail.com" target="_blank">yogihikes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>ooooh, how about adding Knapsack Col in the Winds? That's a stunning alternate. I can't imagine traveling to the Winds to hike and NOT doing Knapsack Col. It would be like hiking the Pacific Crest Trail and not doing Mt. Whitney.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yogi<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.pcthandbook.com" target="_blank">www.pcthandbook.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, <<a href="mailto:bcss@bresnan.net" target="_blank">bcss@bresnan.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'>Chuck,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'>You are probably the 30<sup>th</sup> person who has raised this issue this year. The answer is yes. I am also responding to your inquiry publicly to CDT-L in hopes that others will see it as well. (I removed all your contact and e-mail information) </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'>I have been collecting second party GPS information on the most commonly traveled alternates for a couple of years now. The plan is to provide maps of these alternates for the 2014 season. These are:<br><br><b>New Mexico:</b><br>Columbus / Deming<br>Gila River<br>Mt. Taylor Summit<br>Old Pietown route (probably will move the Omega north roadwalk to one that goes to Pietown as well. Official route is going to eventually parallel the road from Omega to Pietown, so pie will always be part of the experience)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'>Cebolla Wilderness<br>Skull bridge / Ghost Ranch / Bear Camp<br><br><b>Colorado:</b><br>Creede Cutoff<br>New Argentine Spine route<br>Silverthorne<br><br><b>Wyoming:</b><br>Temple Pass / Cirque of the Towers<br>Go-around to Fish Lake / Leeds Creek<br><br><b>Montana/Idaho:</b><br>Mack's Inn<br>Anaconda Cutoff<br>Bob Marshall – Spotted Bear Pass to Gooseberry<br><br>The GPS data being used for these is primarily track files from Garmins and is of considerably lower quality than that of the data obtained by the mapping project of 2009-2011. I am checking it all with aerial topography and making corrections - it should be end up being very good overall. Probably 100' off in places, but the map lines on the maps are almost that wide. GPS waypoints for the routes are also being generated, and the maps will be just like the current Mapbook Maps with UTM grid to aid navigation. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'>One unresolved issue is whether to include the alternate maps in each state’s mapbook, or to create a separate book of all the alternates. The mapbooks are expensive, and the NM one in particular would get more so as more pages are added. It appears that possibly up to 6 hikers will complete the entire official route this year, while most others are doing at least one or two of the alternates. One possibility would be to produce a single book plus a downloadable e-book of the alternates. The e-book would be a lower cost alternative and users could just print the maps they need. I would love to get feedback on this, particularly from the new 2014 hikers. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'><br>best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'>Jerry Brown</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><u><span style='color:blue'><a href="mailto:bcss@bresnan.net" target="_blank">mailto:bcss@bresnan.net</a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'><a href="http://www.bearcreeksurvey.com" target="_blank">www.bearcreeksurvey.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chuck Shugart (e-mail removed)<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 09, 2013 8:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bcss@bresnan.net" target="_blank">bcss@bresnan.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> CDT maps</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> I have all your CDT map books. (They are awesome!) I am planning to start NOBO next Spring. Will probably have to do the whole trail in two pieces. (Two years. I still have a job) I am extremely dependant on the UTM grids to keep myself "found" on any map. So that's why I really like your maps over Jonathan Ley's...no UTM grids. But I like Ley's maps because they give a few reasonable alternates to the "Official" CDT. I'm just afraid that the compass rose method isn't going to make me comfortable about being in the right place, heading the right direction. Especially in areas where the trail is sketchy or non existant. I was talking to another guy who is planning to thru hike it in 2015, and he said he had heard somewhere that you were planning on also mapping some of the most popular alternates this winter. Is that right? So far I'm hoping for the Columbus route, the Gila River route, the Creed and Anaconda routes. (And any other major ones I am not aware of yet.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Or is there some way I can UTM"ize" Ley's maps?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chuck Shugart</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0D0D0D'>(contact info removed)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Cdt-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net" target="_blank">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Cdt-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>