<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top">Some do, though a fair number follow CDTS over the bench to join Middle Fork at the Meadows, then go upstream to Snow Lake from there. <br/><br/>There are hot springs easier to reach and without the sketchy conditions. <br/><br/>No endorsements on the aforementioned route, of course. Just food for thought. The West Fork is arguably just as nice as the Middle, mainly west of where the CDTS route leaves W Fork heading north.<br/><br/>Brett<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone</td></tr></table>            <div id="_origMsg_">
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                            Doug Carlson &lt;doug-sue@centurylink.net&gt;;                            <br>
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                            RE: [Cdt-l] Middle Fork alternatives- Jordon Hot Springs                            <br>
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                                        <td valign="top"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">On the CDTS route or not, I think most nobo&#39;er have followed the main branch up to Snow Lake and that does include Jordon Hot Springs.  </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">When I was there last year I just considered it as part of the CDTS, but that was my route.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">  </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">-Trew</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">  </span></p><div class="yqt8679905799" id="yqt06039"><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> blisterfree@yahoo.com [mailto:blisterfree@yahoo.com] <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,
 January 14, 2014 3:30 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> doug-sue@centurylink.net; cdt-l@backcountry.net<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cdt-l] Middle Fork alternatives- Jordon Hot Springs</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">  </p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal">West Fork would have water the whole way. Also at the crossing of the Middle Fork. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">I&#39;m not sure what hikers do for water who skip the main stem Gila south of Docs. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Jordan Hot Springs isn&#39;t even on the CDTS route - that&#39;s always been a go-your-own destination. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Brett<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone</p></td></tr></table></div><div id="_origMsg_"><div><div class="yqt8679905799" id="yqt40487"><p
 class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">  </span></p></div><div><div class="yqt8679905799" id="yqt06244"><div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Doug Carlson &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:doug-sue@centurylink.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">doug-sue@centurylink.net</a>&gt;; <br clear="none"><b>To: </b>&#39;Brett&#39; &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:blisterfree@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">blisterfree@yahoo.com</a>&gt;; &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>&gt;; <br clear="none"><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Cdt-l] Middle Fork alternatives- Jordon Hot Springs
 <br clear="none"><b>Sent: </b>Tue, Jan 14, 2014 9:28:31 PM </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">  </span></p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;"><div><div class="yqt8679905799" id="yqt72844"><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">This route would miss the Jordon Hot Springs, correct?  I haven&#39;t gotten my map out yet, but that would be my guess.  If one does bypass the main branch of the Gila how is water on the trails listed?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">-Trew</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div id="yqt35901"><div class="yqt8679905799" id="yqt62316"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid
 #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a> [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brett<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 14, 2014 1:18 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cdt-l] Middle Fork alternatives</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div><div><div class="yqt8679905799" id="yqt95932"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;">I believe
 the main stem of the Gila received flood damage as well, so northbound hikers may want to consider detouring around that this spring (though the drainage is wide here, so likely passable in whatever state of disrepair).</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Then, once north of Doc Campbells...</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="">For those not interested in the main route / Black Range and who want the wet canyon experience, grab a copy of the USFS Wilderness Map, then consider hiking the West Fork rather than the Middle. Take it as far as Hells Hole or White Creek Flat.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Then to reach Snow Lake and a resumption of the CDTS route:</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="">From Hells Hole take Trs 268, 164, 30,
 705 to Loco Mountain / FR 142 and hike west to Snow Lake.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Or from White Creek Flat, Trs 30 to 705 to Loco Mountain / FR 142 and hike west to Snow Lake.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Either way, an option exists en route to hike the upper part of the Middle Fork Tr into Snow Lake (where Tr 157 meets 30 and 705). If conditions prove feasible.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Only the West Fork portion of the above has actually been vetted since the summer floods. But mostly these trails are up on the ponderosa benches, only briefly dipping into flood-prone drainages. Once caveat: GET hikers have reported that the upper West Fork and Middle Fork watersheds north of White Creek Flat - Turkeyfeather, Cooper, and Iron Creek - have flood damage. So it
 may not be advisable to choose such a route continuing beyond White Creek Flat. Keep farther east while working north.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="">- Brett</p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;"> </p></div><div><div><div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;"><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;"> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div></td></tr></table><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">  </span></p></div></div></div></div></td>
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