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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>On the CDTS route or not, I think most nobo'er have followed the main branch up to Snow Lake and that does include Jordon Hot Springs. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>When I was there last year I just considered it as part of the CDTS, but that was my route.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Trew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> blisterfree@yahoo.com [mailto:blisterfree@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> doug-sue@centurylink.net; cdt-l@backcountry.net<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cdt-l] Middle Fork alternatives- Jordon Hot Springs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>West Fork would have water the whole way. Also at the crossing of the Middle Fork. <br><br>I'm not sure what hikers do for water who skip the main stem Gila south of Docs. <br><br>Jordan Hot Springs isn't even on the CDTS route - that's always been a go-your-own destination. <br><br>Brett<br><br><br>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><div id="_origMsg_"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Doug Carlson <<a href="mailto:doug-sue@centurylink.net">doug-sue@centurylink.net</a>>; <br><b>To: </b>'Brett' <<a href="mailto:blisterfree@yahoo.com">blisterfree@yahoo.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>>; <br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Cdt-l] Middle Fork alternatives- Jordon Hot Springs <br><b>Sent: </b>Tue, Jan 14, 2014 9:28:31 PM <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>This route would miss the Jordon Hot Springs, correct? I haven't gotten my map out yet, but that would be my guess. If one does bypass the main branch of the Gila how is water on the trails listed?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-Trew</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div id=yqt35901><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net">cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a> [<a href="mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net">mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brett<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 14, 2014 1:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cdt-l] Middle Fork alternatives</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>I believe the main stem of the Gila received flood damage as well, so northbound hikers may want to consider detouring around that this spring (though the drainage is wide here, so likely passable in whatever state of disrepair).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Then, once north of Doc Campbells...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For those not interested in the main route / Black Range and who want the wet canyon experience, grab a copy of the USFS Wilderness Map, then consider hiking the West Fork rather than the Middle. Take it as far as Hells Hole or White Creek Flat.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Then to reach Snow Lake and a resumption of the CDTS route:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>From Hells Hole take Trs 268, 164, 30, 705 to Loco Mountain / FR 142 and hike west to Snow Lake.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Or from White Creek Flat, Trs 30 to 705 to Loco Mountain / FR 142 and hike west to Snow Lake.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Either way, an option exists en route to hike the upper part of the Middle Fork Tr into Snow Lake (where Tr 157 meets 30 and 705). If conditions prove feasible.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Only the West Fork portion of the above has actually been vetted since the summer floods. But mostly these trails are up on the ponderosa benches, only briefly dipping into flood-prone drainages. Once caveat: GET hikers have reported that the upper West Fork and Middle Fork watersheds north of White Creek Flat - Turkeyfeather, Cooper, and Iron Creek - have flood damage. So it may not be advisable to choose such a route continuing beyond White Creek Flat. Keep farther east while working north.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>- Brett<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>