<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top">The Black Range isn't as dry as it's often portrayed. The Plains of San Agustin, yes, but in an average water year there are sources at reasonable intervals along the Divide, sometimes via short (or not so short) detours. Not all of this water is listed in the guidebooks, so to speak. <br/><br/>-Brett<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone</td></tr></table> <div id="_origMsg_">
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1. Re: etrax 30 Question (Doug Carlson)<BR> 2. snow cover (stephen olshansky)<BR> 3. Re: Black Range / official route (Jim and_or Ginny Owen)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:44:26 -0700<BR>From: "Doug Carlson" <<a ymailto="mailto:doug-sue@centurylink.net" href="javascript:return">doug-sue@centurylink.net</a>><BR>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] etrax 30 Question<BR>To: "'Tjamrog08'" <<a ymailto="mailto:tjamrog@mac.com" href="javascript:return">tjamrog@mac.com</a>><BR>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net" href="javascript:return">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><BR>Message-ID: <000301cf16bf$ab1023c0$01306b40$@net><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>This may sound like a dumb question, but I just don't understand a lot of tech stuff. If I clear the current track, it doens't affact the stored routes in memory,
correct?<BR><BR> <BR><BR>-Trew<BR><BR> <BR><BR>From: Tjamrog08 [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:tjamrog@mac.com" href="javascript:return">tjamrog@mac.com</a>] <BR>Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:19 AM<BR>To: Doug Carlson<BR>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net" href="javascript:return">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><BR>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] etrax 30 Question<BR><BR> <BR><BR>You have to clear any existing tracks. I learned this via trial and error. <BR><BR>I go to Track Manager. Open it via clicking the toggle button. Then it shows you tracks you have accumulated. Current track is on top. Click down the toggle switch and options are listed. Move the toggle stick downward to see "Clear Current Track". Click the toggle switch again, then answer "yes". <BR><BR>This procedure should be done just before your ride. I also usually go to the Trip Computer window and clear that each time I am ready to ride. That takes place by accessing the Menu button
on the left side of the unit. <BR><BR> <BR><BR>It's frustrating to learn this stuff because the documentation is poor. <BR><BR> <BR><BR>Uncle Tom<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone<BR><BR><BR>On Jan 19, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Doug Carlson <<a ymailto="mailto:doug-sue@centurylink.net" href="javascript:return">doug-sue@centurylink.net</a>> wrote:<BR><BR>I have been able to load routes into my Etrex 30. I have not yet loaded in any topo maps.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>One thing I cannot figure out. With my old etrex- the first model, it was very easy to set a "Start" location and then wander around and keep track on my route, mileage, etc. I cannot figure out how its done on the Etrex 30. <BR><BR> <BR><BR>If I want to go for a bike ride, how do I get my route to be entered into the GPS so I can see what my overall mileage for the trip is?<BR><BR> <BR><BR> <BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Cdt-l mailing list<BR><a
ymailto="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net" href="javascript:return">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><BR><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l" target=_blank >http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><BR><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20140121/d3a54544/attachment-0001.html " target=_blank >http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20140121/d3a54544/attachment-0001.html </a><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:11:44 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: stephen olshansky <<a ymailto="mailto:olshanskystephen@yahoo.com" href="javascript:return">olshanskystephen@yahoo.com</a>><BR>Subject: [Cdt-l] snow cover<BR>To: "<a ymailto="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net" href="javascript:return">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>" <<a
ymailto="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net" href="javascript:return">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<a ymailto="mailto:1390324304.94267.YahooMailNeo@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" href="javascript:return">1390324304.94267.YahooMailNeo@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com</a>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>just looking at live snow satellite cover shot on cdt north. even all the way up to San Luis peak it appears to have virtually no snow at this time. didn't bother to look north of that.<BR>actually hoping for a bunch of snow in New Mexico's black range and san pedros, keeping my fingers crossed<BR>The west needs some precip in a bad way.<BR>otter<BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20140121/5bfb6203/attachment-0001.html " target=_blank
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they found no water for 3 or 4 days. Eventually they just headed straight out to the highway, because they were so concerned about the lack of water. Since this is looking a lot like 2006 in terms of drought conditions, if not worse, it is a serious issue. <BR> <BR>There are lots of alternates, if you look at a map. We did the West Fork from Doc Campbells up to the Black Range in 1999, and the route past Mogollan Baldy to get there. We saw some of the fire and flood damage in the Gila this past November when we did a short dayhike out of the Visitors Center. (We watched a couple of guys dig out one of the hot springs to make a much nicer pool than had been there before.) If nothing else, you can always just wade up the Gila. The water isn't deep (except in a high snow year) and in spring it isn't cold. <BR> <BR>Ginny<BR>
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