<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">FYI - I have been in cooperation with High Sierra Attitude and Guthook guides to develop both Android and IOS versions of dedicated CDT apps. A free demo version of the Android one is here:</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.highsierraattitude.cdtdemo">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.highsierraattitude.cdtdemo</a></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">The demo has the trail from Crazy Cook to Lordsburg and Columbus alternate routes so people can use them free for the first part of the trail and see how they like them. </span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">IPad/Iphone version should be available in a week or so. The Bear Creek waypoints are built into the apps. The apps are being built a state at a time heading north, hopefully at a faster rate than hikers are moving, so you should be able to do the entire trail using them this year. </span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Jerry Brown (bearcreek)<br></span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Sent from my iPad</span></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Brett <<a href="mailto:blisterfree@yahoo.com">blisterfree@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Although a dedicated GPS unit like the eTrex 20 / 30 will provide slightly better accuracy, another approach is to use a smartphone GPS app such as Gaia GPS. This app is considerably more intuitive to use than the eTrex series, has essentially no storage limits beyond those of the device itself so you can load all the Bearcreek waypoints without having to convert them to POI's, and you can view and query all of the waypoints without jumping through hoops. Because you're only planning to get a fix on a waypoint here or there for guidance purposes, rather than following a GPS track all day, 3 meter accuracy and a full week of battery life are less crucial. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida
Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Off-contract Samsung Galaxy phones running Android can be had for less than half the price of an eTrex 30. I've only used the iPhone, GPS functionality is independent of a cell signal using Gaia GPS, but would assume the Galaxy mimics the same functionality. Accuracy is fine for casual use, might take a bit longer to handshake on startup without a cell signal / sim card installed.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family:
HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Battery life can be extended with an external USB battery charger, such as Anker Astro, which comes in various capacities that work out to about 1-2 ounces product weight per single recharge capability.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Gaia GPS app installation and upload / download management would be via a WiFi connection in the case of a phone without a cell signal or sim card. Gaia GPS can store 1:24000 quad maps for off-line use, possibly not for
the entire CDT at once though, given the very large size of that data set. But probably enough maps could be stored strategically to reach the next known WiFi connection in town.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>The eTrex 20 is my go-to unit for field-recording tracks and waypoints, where accuracy and battery life are the most crucial. But were I to thru-hike the CDT with Bearcreek's data, I'd probably just carry my cell phone and save on the extra weight and fiddle factor. Ultimately GPS doesn't normally factor into one's hiking day to the extent that one might imagine it
would.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>- Brett<br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:00 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Cdt-l Digest, Vol 79, Issue 1<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><pre>Yeah, Bob--I know exactly what you mean. I load waypoints every year
and somehow it doesn't imprint itself on my memory--each time it is
like doing it for the first time. My brain just balks at storing it in
memory. Kind of like setting up my drip irrigation timer.
I also glaze over at explanations. I print out the explanations and
eventually re-read and mess around with the GPS them until I "grok"
them. This process is weirdly uncomfortable--like I have to force my
brain to concentrate on this stuff. I had no problem with math and
science in school, or learning computer related skills, but the GPS is
something else for some reason.
--Fireweed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Sartini"
To:"Mary Kwart"
Cc:"Eric White" , "Larry Swearingen" , "CDT Emaillist"
Sent:Sun, 30 Mar 2014 08:38:04 -0400
Subject:Re: [Cdt-l] Custom POIs
Nor do they care. And unfortunately the people who backpack like us
AND understand how the technology works don't seem to speak in a
language some of us can understand. Personally I glaze over very
quickly when reading what appear to others to be very precise
directions. I got it done a year ago and have no idea how.
But I think Bear Creek will load it all up for you. Check the web
page.
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Mary Kwart wrote:
> Well--the trouble isn't using GPS in the field, that is easy, the
problem
> is downloading the stuff beforehand with lousy documentation for
the gadgets
> we use and the way we use them. I also carry a compass, which I
have used
> since the 70's, but using a GPS in the field is like driving a
Porsche over
> the compass Volkswagen. Much faster to locate yourself. GPS
companies just
> aren't geared to our type of use, but to the needs of people
geocaching and
> doing low mileage trips.
> --Fireweed</pre><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Cdt-l mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a></span><br><span><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>