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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What a terrible person Garrow was. I just read some bio on him. I got my Introduction to backpacking in the Adirondacks in 1968 or 1969 and a few more trips there in the early 70s. I hiked a section of NM CDT with a man who carried a .32 with him. I was glad he had it. I have a .38 in the house but usually don't pack it when backpacking. Maybe sometimes on day trips. There is a place for guns in this world. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Willy, you were close to this story. Terrible.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Doug<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Cdt-l [mailto:cdt-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Hersman<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 17, 2015 3:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> michelle bracht<br><b>Cc:</b> cdt-l@backcountry.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cdt-l] Guns and hiking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Did you mean Robert Garrow? Garrow killed my high school friend and girlfriend on the AT in 1972.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Willy Hersman<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>CDT 1980<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>PCT 1978<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 15, 2015, at 3:17 PM, michelle bracht wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I recently met an avid proponent of gun control while hiking a section of the cdt. That is easy to be if you are an unattractive guy with no outward signs of wealth. As a female solo hiker who grew up in the Adirondack mountains during David Garro's reign of terror, I can promise you that bears are not the reason I carry a gun. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I also frequently get asked if I carry a gun and my answer is always "of course ". I know that the people asking are only concerned for my safety. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Michelle <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757'>Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: <a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a> <br>Date: 08/15/2015 1:21 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a> <br>Subject: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 10 <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Send Cdt-l mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net">cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Cdt-l digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7 (Jim and_or Ginny Owen)<br> 2. Re: Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7 (Jeff Jones)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:58:24 -0400<br>From: Jim and_or Ginny Owen <<a href="mailto:spiriteagle99@hotmail.com">spiriteagle99@hotmail.com</a>><br>To: BCSS <<a href="mailto:bcss@bresnan.net">bcss@bresnan.net</a>>, "DayLate07 ." <<a href="mailto:dthibaul07@gmail.com">dthibaul07@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: cdt-l <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:BLU176-W93C57B92019ED15E395EEA07B0@phx.gbl">BLU176-W93C57B92019ED15E395EEA07B0@phx.gbl</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Not necessarily so. If you shoot a bear with the RIGHT gun in the RIGHT place, it'll be dead. And you'll probably spend at least a week trying to explain the "authorities" why you shot it. A week is a lot of hiking time to be spending on paperwork. <br>RIGHT gun - is one that's heavier than you want to carry. <br>The RIGHT place - isn't visible if you're being charged by the bear. <br>OTOH - it IS legal to carry the gun, just not advisable. Or smart. <br>Also - the question (Are you carrying a gun?) has probably been asked of every thruhiker in history. Multiple times. Deal with it. <br>Jim<br><br><a href="http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/">http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/</a><br><br><br>From: <a href="mailto:bcss@bresnan.net">bcss@bresnan.net</a><br>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:13:04 -0600<br>To: <a href="mailto:dthibaul07@gmail.com">dthibaul07@gmail.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7<br><br>If you shoot a bear with a gun it's going to get really pissed off. <br><br>best wishes, Jerry BrownBear Creek Survey Service, LLC3065 East 2nd AvenueDurango, CO 81301(970) 403-3527 cell: (970) <a href="mailto:317-1398bcss@bresnan.netwww.bearcreeksurvey.com">317-1398bcss@bresnan.netwww.bearcreeksurvey.com</a> <br>On Aug 9, 2015, at 5:47 PM, DayLate07 . <<a href="mailto:dthibaul07@gmail.com">dthibaul07@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Sad to hear about this, it is really tragic. <br><br>But especially since now I will get asked yet again by all my concerned friends and co-workers if I plan to carry a gun when I hike thru this section of the CDT (sigh)....<br><br>Day-Late<br>On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:00 AM, <<a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a>> wrote:<br>Send Cdt-l mailing list submissions to<br><br> <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><br><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br><br> <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br><br> <a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a><br><br><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br><br> <a href="mailto:cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net">cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net</a><br><br><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br><br>than "Re: Contents of Cdt-l digest..."<br><br><br><br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br><br><br> 1. Bear Kills Hiker in Yellowstone (Doug Carlson)<br><br><br><br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br><br>Message: 1<br><br>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 07:55:32 -0700<br><br>From: "Doug Carlson" <<a href="mailto:doug-sue@centurylink.net">doug-sue@centurylink.net</a>><br><br>To: <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br><br>Subject: [Cdt-l] Bear Kills Hiker in Yellowstone<br><br>Message-ID: <000c01d0d2b3$71d09b60$5571d220$@net><br><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br><br><br>Here is the link:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hiker-killed-grizzly-bear-yellowstone-na">http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hiker-killed-grizzly-bear-yellowstone-na</a><br><br>tional-park-n406656<br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br><br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br><br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20150809/8f6e2730/attachment-0001.html">http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20150809/8f6e2730/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br><br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Cdt-l mailing list<br><br><a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><br><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br><br><br>End of Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7<br><br>************************************<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Cdt-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Cdt-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a> <br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20150815/9a3867b2/attachment-0001.html">http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20150815/9a3867b2/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:05:40 -0600<br>From: Jeff Jones <<a href="mailto:jjonz@dc.rr.com">jjonz@dc.rr.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:55CF7F74.9020001@dc.rr.com">55CF7F74.9020001@dc.rr.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"<br><br>Montana bear handgun joke:<br><br>Q: What's the perfect handgun to shoot a bear with?<br>A: One that's greased up and sights removed. That way after you shoot <br>the bear, when the bear takes the gun away from you and shoves it up <br>your a**, it doesn't hurt so much.<br><br> Jeff Jones<br> new to the list and living a mile of the CDT near West <br>Yellowstone<br><br>On 8/15/2015 10:58 AM, Jim and_or Ginny Owen wrote:<br>> Not necessarily so. If you shoot a bear with the RIGHT gun in the <br>> RIGHT place, it'll be dead. And you'll probably spend at least a week <br>> trying to explain the "authorities" why you shot it. A week is a lot <br>> of hiking time to be spending on paperwork.<br>><br>> RIGHT gun - is one that's heavier than you want to carry.<br>><br>> The RIGHT place - isn't visible if you're being charged by the bear.<br>><br>> OTOH - it IS legal to carry the gun, just not advisable. Or smart.<br>><br>> Also - the question (Are you carrying a gun?) has probably been asked <br>> of every thruhiker in history. Multiple times. Deal with it.<br>><br>> Jim<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/">http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/</a><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> From: <a href="mailto:bcss@bresnan.net">bcss@bresnan.net</a><br>> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:13:04 -0600<br>> To: <a href="mailto:dthibaul07@gmail.com">dthibaul07@gmail.com</a><br>> CC: <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7<br>><br>> If you shoot a bear with a gun it's going to get really pissed off.<br>><br>> best wishes,<br>><br>> Jerry Brown<br>><br>> Bear Creek Survey Service, LLC<br>><br>> 3065 East 2nd Avenue<br>><br>> Durango, CO 81301<br>><br>> (970) 403-3527 cell: (970) 317-1398<br>><br>> <a href="mailto:bcss@bresnan.net">bcss@bresnan.net</a><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.bearcreeksurvey.com/">www.bearcreeksurvey.com</a><br>><br>><br>> On Aug 9, 2015, at 5:47 PM, DayLate07 . <<a href="mailto:dthibaul07@gmail.com">dthibaul07@gmail.com</a> <br>> <<a href="mailto:dthibaul07@gmail.com">mailto:dthibaul07@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> Sad to hear about this, it is really tragic.<br>><br>><br>> But especially since now I will get asked yet again by all my<br>> concerned friends and co-workers if I plan to carry a gun when I<br>> hike thru this section of the CDT (sigh)....<br>><br>><br>> Day-Late<br>><br>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:00 AM, <<a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a><br>> <<a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> Send Cdt-l mailing list submissions to<br>> <a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a> <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>><br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a><br>> <<a href="mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net">mailto:cdt-l-request@backcountry.net</a>><br>><br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a href="mailto:cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net">cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net</a> <<a href="mailto:cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net">mailto:cdt-l-owner@backcountry.net</a>><br>><br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more<br>> specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of Cdt-l digest..."<br>><br>><br>> Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Bear Kills Hiker in Yellowstone (Doug Carlson)<br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 07:55:32 -0700<br>> From: "Doug Carlson" <<a href="mailto:doug-sue@centurylink.net">doug-sue@centurylink.net</a><br>> <<a href="mailto:doug-sue@centurylink.net">mailto:doug-sue@centurylink.net</a>>><br>> To: <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">cdt-l@backcountry.net</a> <<a href="mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net">mailto:cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>>><br>> Subject: [Cdt-l] Bear Kills Hiker in Yellowstone<br>> Message-ID: <000c01d0d2b3$71d09b60$5571d220$@net><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>> Here is the link:<br>><br>><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hiker-killed-grizzly-bear-yellowstone-na">http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hiker-killed-grizzly-bear-yellowstone-na</a><br>> tional-park-n406656<br>> <<a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hiker-killed-grizzly-bear-yellowstone-national-park-n406656">http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hiker-killed-grizzly-bear-yellowstone-national-park-n406656</a>><br>><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL:<br>> <<a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20150809/8f6e2730/attachment-0001.html">http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20150809/8f6e2730/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Cdt-l mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a> <<a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>> <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> End of Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7<br>> ************************************<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Cdt-l mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a> <<a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a>><br>> <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________ Cdt-l mailing list <br>> <a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a> <br>> <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Cdt-l mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br><br><br><br>---<br>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br><a href="http://www.avast.com/">http://www.avast.com</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20150815/2a864f5a/attachment.html">http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/cdt-l/attachments/20150815/2a864f5a/attachment.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Cdt-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of Cdt-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 10<br>*************************************<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Cdt-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Cdt-l@backcountry.net">Cdt-l@backcountry.net</a><br><a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>