[pct-l] Dangerous - uninformed about issue - perceptions regarding Upper Vy Road

[Tortoise]

Well Don,

Your own words indite you. You presented no facts or reasoning based on 
common sense. Just a tirade of ad hominem attacks with no basis for your 
attacks.

Instead of using facts and reasoning to win friends and gain support, 
you are making enemies and increasing opposition.

Tortoise

<> He who finishes last, wins! <>

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Don Duncan wrote:
> Ron,
> Tell Dick not to lose any sleep over this sort of stuff.  This is the 
> typical reaction you get from Liberal types when they see an article 
> like Scott's excellent story in the Herald-Republic.
> They are just amusing themselves seeing who can come up with the 
> cleverest ad hominems.  They will never slug it out based on actual 
> facts (or using their real names; they can dish it out but can't take 
> it in return) because, to them, that is not what this is all about.  
> What it is about to them is doing something that makes them feel good 
> about themselves (in this case by closing the upper road to 'preserve 
> it for future generations') without the slightest thought about how 
> this closure affects countless members of the present generation who 
> used to enjoy this access and overwhelmingly support those regulations 
> and educational activities that teach the next generation how to truly 
> preserve this parkland for all generations to come.
> My 22-year old granddaughter, who thought Scott's article was 
> well-reasoned and convincing, had this to say about the nameless 
> critics, "They are just a bunch of window lickers".
> Don Duncan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R&K Scutt" <rkscutt at gmail.com>
> To: "Don Duncan" <don-duncan at comcast.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 6:58 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Dangerous - uninformed about issue - perceptions 
> regarding Upper Vy Road
>
>
>> Don, here is a note that just came in from Dick Bingham, Stehekin
>> Resident. Is this something you can respond to? or can you find out
>> more about "pct-1backcountry.net"? I don't know if it is a blog or
>> not. I wish people would have to sign their names. Thanks and best to
>> you, Ron
>>
>>
>> GM Ron/Cliff/Roberta
>>
>> You may wish to have someone from Stehekin Heritage respond _quickly_ to
>> these two "postings" on the PCT-L...  Dick
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:59:10 -0700
>> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Article About Stehekin Valley Road
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <109a01c7b42d$e00e25a0$94802e3f at Snoopy>
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>> Mother nature has reclaimed some of her grandeur and of course 
>> commerce is
>> not happy about it.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2dxru2
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:01:16 -0700
>> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Article About Stehekin Valley Road
>> To: Postholer <public at postholer.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <467AF52C.7020901 at charter.net>
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>>
>> Interesting controversy. However like much of modern journalism (or what
>> passes for journalism), the writer apparently started with his
>> conclusion and then picked information to support it.
>>
>> one paragraph is illustrative:
>>
>>    "Parallel to the section of the valley that flooded in 2003, the
>>     critical 21/2 miles from just below Carwash Falls upriver to the
>>    trail junction called Bridge Creek, runs the road's original route
>>     -- safely upslope from the river. In the 1930s, though, that stretch
>>    of the road, called "the old wagon road" or just the "detour road"
>>    by locals, became part of the Pacific Crest Trail and Civilian
>>    Conservation Corps crews replaced it with the flood-prone road along
>>    the river."
>>
>> It seems very unlikely that back in the 1930's, a road would have been
>> rerouted so the original road could be used as a trail. More likely some
>> people thought that a road by the river would be more scenic and
>> appealing as well as a good project for the CCC. Hope someone can do the
>> research to determine the truth.
>>
>> I don't want to go on and on on this, but it does remind me of the
>> discussions around here by the "old timers" whose memories change to
>> meet their current desire.
>>
>>
>> Tortoise
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