[pct-l] bear canisters Getting closer... please help

Tue Mar 20 15:00:32 CDT 2007

Thank You Aaron
This seems you've headed us in the right direction.

It looks like some type of overlap between my topo data and other sources
I can't get that map you sent to be clear/function on my computer, but it 
does have one thing that is clear.

In some places the Sierra National Forest is "Inyo NF Administered" which 
seems to explain why my Topo says one thing and "Info NF Administered" 
tosses all that into a............ not there 
yet................................... still a question.

In Inyo Administered, are the Sierra NF/Muir/Ansel Adams regulations no 
longer existing?
or Does Inyo impose their own regulations over the Sierra NF/Muir/Ansel 
Adams area it oversees?

I guess that's two questions

My TOPO is still showing every foot that area from Piute Creek/Kings Canyon 
as NF/Muir/Ansel Adams.
Sounds like is may all be Inyo NF Administered which then brings me to 
confused by my second question above.

-Who's regulations apply.... one, the other or both?

Again
We're getting closer

Thanks

Monty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Wallace" <aaron at skeeky.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear canisters Complex problem... please help

>
> Online maps of Inyo and Sierra NF can be found here:
>
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/forestvisitormaps/
>
> The PCT enters Sierra NF when it leaves SEKI at Piute Creek, and enters
> Inyo NF a few miles south of Reds Meadow, where you're in Inyo until
> Donohue Pass.  The "Inyo NF administered" section of Sierra NF is shown
> in this section:
>
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/forestvisitormaps/inyo/north/14.php
>
> This section starts about a mile north of Silver Pass.  My assumption
> would be that the Inyo rules apply in this section.
>
> Yosemite's regulations are straightforward: canisters are required from
> Donohue Pass to Tuolumne (it's all either over 9600' or within 7 miles
> of the Tioga road), then from Glen Aulin to roughly the McCabe Lake
> trail junction, before the descent into Virginia Canyon (where you're 7
> miles from the Tioga road and under 9600').  Combining the Inyo and
> Yosemite regulations, a PCT hiker without a canister must be able to
> make it from Agnew Meadow to Tuolumne Meadows in a day.
>
> The SEKI Dusy Basin canister-required regulation appears to apply only
> if you step off the JMT/PCT--that is, if you stay in LeConte Canyon on
> the JMT/PCT, you don't need to use a canister.
>
> Don't forget that in the Sierra wilderness areas, if you don't use a
> canister, you're still required to hang your food properly and actively
> defend it from bears.  You can be fined in areas that don't require
> canisters for improper food storage if you don't hang it, or hang it
> incorrectly/ineffectively.
>
> It all seems fairly straightforward once you find the information on the
> appropriate websites...  it's not that complex or confusing at all.  As
> a practical matter, unless you're well-versed in food hanging and have
> good food-hang-tree karma, you need a canister in the Sierra, at least
> for SEKI, Yosemite, and the wilderness areas inbetween.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: montypct [mailto:montypct at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:13 PM
>> To: Aaron Wallace
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear canisters Complex problem... please help
>>
>> Bear Canister Requirements:
>>
>>
>>
>> I think there's something wrong with my Topo or maybe the
>> John Muir Wilderness, the Ansel Adams Wilderness and/or the
>> Sierra National Forest from Kings Canyon to Donahue Pass are
>> the within Inyo???  My Topo does not show any of that as
>> Inyo???????????????  Something is screwy here.
>>
>> Does anyone have that same problem or is my Topo right and
>> Inyo is a few miles to the northwest, at closest, to the PCT???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regulations per each area's site.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Sierra National Forest- Muir and Ansel Adams Wilderness "Bear Hang"
>> Requirements
>>
>> Which stretches from Kings Canyon to Donahue Pass.
>>
>> " 'Proper food storage is required to avoid having bears and
>> wildlife eat
>>  your food. Use bear canisters, bear resistant panniers, or
>> the 'bear hang'
>>  method to properly store your food and refuse. "
>>   http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sierra/recreation/wilderness/wildregs.shtml
>>
>>
>>  And Yosemite per their site:
>>  Don't camp close too Donahue Pass (above 9600 feet).
>> Canisters required within seven miles of the road at Tuolumne Meadows.
>>  There's bear boxes near the store in the campground and
>> North at Glen
>> Aulen.
>>
>> There are no requirements 7 miles north of 120.
>> http://www.nps.gov/archive/yose/wilderness/bfoodstorage.htm
>>
>> "This requirement does not apply to food that's being
>> transported or eaten.":
>>
>> And also per the Yosemite's site:
>>
>> Requirements for the 13 miles from Donahue pass to Tuolumne
>> Meadows (120)
>> then north 7 miles per Yosemite's shaded map
>>
>>  http://www.nps.gov/archive/yose/wilderness/bfoodstoragem.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> Seven miles north of Tuolumne there are no requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another confusing question:
>>
>> How many miles do you travel OFF the Pacific Crest Trail
>> before dropping
>> into the Dusy Basin.  Is it normal for thru hikers to go there?
>>
>>
>>
>> Next??
>>
>> If all the above is correct, what wilderness areas requiring
>> canisters do
>> not have a legal substitute of a bear box within a few miles,
>> and how many
>> miles from legality is that?
>>
>> Another:
>>
>> Who has had a government employee lie (or see things
>> different from actual
>> regulations) to them about these requirements?
>>
>>
>>
>> (I have)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm for the use of canisters here but I think something more
>> important is
>> missing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Warner Springs Monty
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