[pct-l] contrail

RJ Lewis karmagurl at bektel.com
Mon Apr 21 09:11:17 CDT 2008


Tent....sagging?? Sure sure..that's what they ALL 
say.....giggle...oh...wait....It was 4/20 yesterday and I've been in my 
DJ booth too long under these headphones...... :D

(good luck with your Contrail, I have a Double Rainbow and absolutely 
LOVE it)
Peace!
DJ KarmaGurl aka RJ

mark v wrote:
> Moondog, i'll join you for the field trip to ask Henry
> about the Contrail.  I had lousy luck getting mine set
> up well the first couple of nights.  By the last night
> i had it a LOT better, but i'm still not so confident
> it would be ok in high winds etc.  The one thing that
> did help me was to retension it as tight as possible
> RIGHT before going to sleep, and again if i woke up to
> pee at night.  The humidity change at dusk makes it
> sag a lot.  (the Contrail, i mean!)
>
>
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>>    1. question (Brian Nyquist)
>>    2. Private vs Public Journals (Sean Nordeen)
>>    3. New food (cvano at tmail.com)
>>    4. ** Water & Trail  Report Big Bear Area (Bill
>> Batchelor)
>>    5. Re: ** Water & Trail  Report Big Bear Area
>>       (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
>>    6. Re: Adventure of the Trail/Road
>> (Hiker97 at aol.com)
>>    7. Re: ** Water & Trail  Report Big Bear Area
>> (Bill Batchelor)
>>    8. tarptent contrail (David Stewart)
>>    9. Re: tarptent contrail (asabat at 4jeffrey.net)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:32:20 -0700
>> From: "Brian Nyquist" <brinyq at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] question
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
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>> i have been reading some of the trail journals and
>> was wondering how people
>> are able to post everyday?  are they doing it with
>> their phones?  is service
>> very reliable in southern california?  forgive my
>> ignorance but it is
>> miffing me.
>> -brian
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:53:34 -0400
>> From: Sean Nordeen <sean at lifesadventures.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Private vs Public Journals
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Since the blog entry posted at hikertown seemed to
>> be posted in response to an entry posted at
>> trailjournals, I think some people are not making
>> the distinction between a private and public journal
>> when they are writing.
>>
>> Yes, a journal to put down your thoughts and
>> emotions when going through a stressful situation is
>> a good thing.  It can be great to look back at that
>> time years latter and remember all that you were
>> feeling at that time.  However, such private
>> thoughts should be kept private.  If they are ever
>> published, it is best done so after your death by
>> your relatives trying to cash in on your fame. :p
>>
>> A public journal is indeed just that, public.  The
>> purpose and content of a public journal should be
>> different then what you would normally journal in
>> private about.  You have to consider how what you
>> write will be understood by others.  There are many
>> things that we think or judgements that we make that
>> if expressed out loud, can cuase offense or anger in
>> others.  Some things are just better off not said in
>> public.
>>
>> I think many people would be well served if they
>> kept 2 journals.  One online that has been censored
>> and a private one that has all the juicy details
>> (despite the howls off some armchair hikers wanted
>> to read it all and complain latter). ;)
>>
>> Just my thoughts on this matter.
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:17:27 -0700
>> From: cvano at tmail.com
>> Subject: [pct-l] New food
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <1208719050.29CDA390 at dh16.dngr.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
>> format="flowed"
>>
>> Found a new item at Food Pavilion today.  This store
>> carries the Western 
>> Family brands, so that might help locate this item. 
>> Note, I am not any 
>> kind of salesman and not affiliated with anything
>> here.
>>
>> Festival brand dried sweet fruit, $4.99 for a 5oz
>> re-sealable package.  
>> Found it near the raisins. Available today were
>> cantaloupe, pineapple, 
>> mango, pear, and apple.  I bought the cantaloupe. 
>> The package is hard 
>> to open with fingers and teeth, I had to resort to a
>> knife.  There are a 
>> *lot* of slices in this 5oz!  Doesn't taste like a
>> fresh one and is a 
>> bit chewey-er and sweeter.  Some natural liquid must
>> remain as its not 
>> crunchy and you don't have to reconstitute it.  The
>> ingredients are: 
>> cantaloupe, sugar, citric acid, sulpher dioxide (to
>> preserve color) and 
>> artificial flavor.  First bite reminded me of fruit
>> cake fruit, but by 
>> the 2nd slice I was thinking it would be quite
>> enjoyable about the 3rd 
>> or 4th morning on the trail.  But then, why wait? 
>> This package says 
>> 'freshest by 010609' so it has some shelf life too. 
>> Good bounce bucket 
>> item where there is no fresh produce maybe?
>>
>> It's not the Mountains that we conquer,
>> but Ourselves.  Sir Edmund Hillary 1919-2008
>>
>> Ol' Three Toes aka Chris
>> S/V Drifter ~~~_/)~~~
>> Anacortes, WA.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:19:00 -0700
>> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail  Report Big Bear
>> Area
>> To: "'PCT'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <003a01c8a31b$637781c0$0301a8c0 at OFFICE>
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>>
>> Just returned from a hike with my son around the Big
>> Bear Area.
>>
>> First, for those not intimate with the trail yet -
>> orientation
>>
>> When entering into the San Bernardino Mountains you
>> climb from the valley
>> "Cabazon" or Gorgonio Pass.  Climbing into the San
>> Bernardino's you reach a
>> high point about 42 miles in called Onyx Summit at
>> PCT mile 252.  From
>> there, you descend into the Big Bear valley and lake
>> area and wrap around
>> the north side of the lake.
>>
>> We hiked from that high point, Onyx Summit Mile 252,
>> to mid way along the
>> lake - road 2N09 mile 277 (actually hiked out Cougar
>> Crest Trail just before
>> road 2N09).
>>
>> First a quick nod to Erik of www.pctatlas.com   He
>> lives in that area and is
>> willing to help hikers out with rides.  He gave us a
>> lift so we could leave
>> our car at the far end.  He does not monitor this
>> list though.  To reach
>> him, contact via his web site.
>>
>> Train conditions were in general immaculate.  All
>> blow downs on the first 15
>> miles were cleared.  Any remaining blow downs on the
>> second 15 miles were
>> easy to walk around or step over.  There is plenty
>> of snow on upper
>> elevations of many peaks, but the PCT is completely
>> clear.
>>
>> Water:
>>
>> Arrastre Trail Camp mile 256
>> The piped water is dry.  Arrastre creek flowing and
>> clean.  Creek comes
>> above ground just before this camp though and is
>> flowing nicely.  Further
>> down trail PCT crosses creek multiple times each
>> with more water.
>>
>> Doble Trail Camp
>> Piped water: #1 dry, #2 dripping.  #2 Pipe holds 2
>> liters then stops for
>> hours of reloading.  Spring/well metal cover above
>> pipe holding water -
>> filterable - lots-a-floaties.   This would be a real
>> nice place for angels
>> to drop off water caches.
>>
>> Van Dusen road crossing / Caribou Creek mile 274
>> Creek flowing strong.  Great camping and break area
>> except within view of
>> often used dirt road.
>>
>> Best to all,
>>
>> Pink Gumby
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:50:04 +0000
>> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail  Report Big
>> Bear Area
>> To: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>, "'PCT'"
>> 	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Bill,
>>
>> Thanks for the report.  I am curious re: your
>> comment that Doble Trail Camp would be a good place
>> for a water cache.  Why?  You have mentioned two
>> spots (before and after this location) within 18
>> miles that both have water.  Additionally, Highway
>> 18 and the hitch to Big Bear is in this stretch. 
>> Why does the trail need yet another water cache in
>> which to clutter the trail?  Isn't there enough
>> already?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net> 
>>
>>     
>>> Just returned from a hike with my son around the
>>>       
>> Big Bear Area. 
>>     
>>> First, for those not intimate with the trail yet -
>>>       
>> orientation 
>>     
>>> When entering into the San Bernardino Mountains
>>>       
>> you climb from the valley 
>>     
>>> "Cabazon" or Gorgonio Pass. Climbing into the San
>>>       
>> Bernardino's you reach a 
>>     
>>> high point about 42 miles in called Onyx Summit at
>>>       
>> PCT mile 252. From 
>>     
>>> there, you descend into the Big Bear valley and
>>>       
>> lake area and wrap around 
>>     
>>> the north side of the lake. 
>>>
>>> We hiked from that high point, Onyx Summit Mile
>>>       
>> 252, to mid way along the 
>>     
>>> lake - road 2N09 mile 277 (actually hiked out
>>>       
>> Cougar Crest Trail just before 
>>     
>>> road 2N09). 
>>>
>>> First a quick nod to Erik of www.pctatlas.com He
>>>       
>> lives in that area and is 
>>     
>>> willing to help hikers out with rides. He gave us
>>>       
>> a lift so we could leave 
>>     
>>> our car at the far end. He does not monitor this
>>>       
>> list though. To reach 
>>     
>>> him, contact via his web site. 
>>>
>>> Train conditions were in general immaculate. All
>>>       
>> blow downs on the first 15 
>>     
>>> miles were cleared. Any remaining blow downs on
>>>       
>> the second 15 miles were 
>>     
>>> easy to walk around or step over. There is plenty
>>>       
>> of snow on upper 
>>     
>>> elevations of many peaks, but the PCT is
>>>       
>> completely clear. 
>>     
>>> Water: 
>>>
>>> Arrastre Trail Camp mile 256 
>>> The piped water is dry. Arrastre creek flowing and
>>>       
>> clean. Creek comes 
>>     
>>> above ground just before this camp though and is
>>>       
>> flowing nicely. Further 
>>     
>>> down trail PCT crosses creek multiple times each
>>>       
>> with more water. 
>>     
>>> Doble Trail Camp 
>>> Piped water: #1 dry, #2 dripping. #2 Pipe holds 2
>>>       
>> liters then stops for 
>>     
>>> hours of reloading. Spring/well metal cover above
>>>       
>> pipe holding water - 
>>     
>>> filterable - lots-a-floaties. This would be a real
>>>       
>> nice place for angels 
>>     
>>> to drop off water caches. 
>>>
>>> Van Dusen road crossing / Caribou Creek mile 274 
>>> Creek flowing strong. Great camping and break area
>>>       
>> except within view of 
>>     
>>> often used dirt road. 
>>>
>>> Best to all, 
>>>
>>> Pink Gumby 
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:55:28 EDT
>> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Adventure of the Trail/Road
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Cc: zoomersdelivers at yahoo.com, lizmares at cox.net,
>> carolwbruno at yahoo.com
>> Message-ID: <c19.3608426c.353cf9b0 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>  
>> Free Refill wrote: ....... or get a 2008 BMW
>> R-GS1200 and see the dirt  roads 
>> too!  I can't resist mentioning that these great
>> pieces of technic  are 
>> manufactured right here in my neighbourhood in
>> Berlin...
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> Switchback replies: You are right.  BMW's are great
>> machines.   Their big 
>> touring bike has automatic windshield and kickstand.
>>  Wow.   By the way, I am now 
>> making of list of hiker babe names that I plan to
>> kidnap  when I get my bike. 
>>  I will pull into town and thrown them on the back
>> and  head out with people 
>> (mothers, fathers, friends, etc.) running after us, 
>> but it will be too late.  
>> It will be a PCT road tour and leaving our  intials
>> on many a trailtown 
>> saloon wall ..... "Switchback and xxxxxxxx were 
>> here.  Catch us if you can."  Yes, 
>> many long nights of partying  and telling tall tales
>> of the trail and road 
>> with our trail/road bros  and their wenches.  Life
>> does not get much better than 
>> this ..... hot  pizza, cold brews, music, and
>> friends late at night .... just 
>> like the  trail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest
>> site for U.S. used car 
>> listings at AOL Autos.      
>>
>>     
> (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
>   
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:21:58 -0700
>> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail  Report Big
>> Bear Area
>> To: <jeff.singewald at comcast.net>,	"'PCT'"
>> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <003e01c8a32c$90f06020$0301a8c0 at OFFICE>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> A fair question Jeff.  And I know you are
>> anti-caches, or at least a cache
>> minimalist.  So, let me clarify and reclassify my
>> thought.
>>  
>> Let me rephrase to say it would be a nice trail
>> angle move right now as the
>> pipe is dry.  I do not mean a cache as in some
>> permanent fixture.  
>>  
>> My thought was because this location is listed in
>> many PCT sources as a
>> "reliable" water source, when right now it is not -
>> it is a drag to find it
>> dry.   I think many hikers may expect water to be
>> there.  Life threatening?
>> No.  Hiking out, hitch hiking are all options.  So
>> consider it more in the
>> "trail magic" category than in the cache category.  
>> For those that had
>> plans that included this "reliable" source, it may
>> be a drag to find it dry.
>> So I think a small temporary cache could bring some
>> trail joy.  I like joy.
>> I like joy a lot!   For example, I could see a hiker
>> reentering the trail at
>> highway 18 after a day off in BBear - all pumped up
>> from their rest day and
>> ready to head on.  They are carrying enough water to
>> get them to this spot
>> and plan on loading up there.  Then finding it dry. 
>> Now, after a few miles
>> on the trail the hiker needs to go back into town,
>> reload, kill half a day,
>> and rethink the next leg.  It would be a buzz kill
>> for sure - or - anti-joy.
>> I was not envisioning some 600 gallon cache, but if
>> someone had set a few
>> 2.5 gallon containers on the picnic tables there - I
>> would have thought -
>> cool.    I also do not consider those types of trail
>> angel moves as clutter
>> when done right.  Just my opinion.  In this case,
>> Doble is an established
>> camp area with a solar toilet, picnic table, horse
>> corral, etc.  It is not
>> as if someone would be hanging water bottles from
>> the trees in the middle of
>> the wilderness.  A couple 2.5 gallons tied to the
>> table is hardly more of
>> blight than the permanent fire ring, toilet
>> building, or bull-dozed clearing
>> that is already there.
>>  
>> As for the next water spot about 6 miles later -
>> there is the dilemma the
>> hiker finds.   So, they have enough water left
>> without Doble to make a
>> couple more miles and then would need to go four
>> miles further dry -
>> uncomfortable but not so bad.  Now though you have
>> seriously eaten into your
>> buffer.  IF that next stream is dry, the hiker has a
>> poorly planned exit
>> strategy.  The hiker used their buffer on the way to
>> that creek.  At least
>> for myself, having another unknown water source
>> further into the trail and
>> further away from a fall-back position would not
>> make me comfortable
>> skipping Doble.  If I had planned on Doble and my
>> water was now low, I would
>> not personally press on hoping the creek was
>> different.  Actually, quite the
>> opposite.  If the Doble "reliable" spring was dry, I
>> would consider the next
>> source equally suspect being part of the same
>> eco-system.  (unless I had
>> checked the Jeffery report the day before and found
>> a very recent report
>> -too many variables to cover them all).
>>  
>> Alas, the water cache left here and filled
>> periodically when the spring was
>> not "springing" would just be another trail angle
>> nicety that may alleviate
>> a hassle and make a hiker grateful for the anonymous
>> nod.  Much like finding
>> a car parked at a road crossing handing out
>> Gatoraid.    Was the Gatoraid
>> "required", nah - but a real joy to find.  I like
>> joy.  Did I mention I like
>> joy?
>>  
>> PG
>>
>>   _____  
>>
>> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
>> [mailto:jeff.singewald at comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:50 PM
>> To: Bill Batchelor; 'PCT'
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail Report Big
>> Bear Area
>>
>>
>> Bill,
>>  
>> Thanks for the report.  I am curious re: your
>> comment that Doble Trail Camp
>> would be a good place for a water cache.  Why?  You
>> have mentioned two spots
>> (before and after this location) within 18 miles
>> that both have water.
>> Additionally, Highway 18 and the hitch to Big Bear
>> is in this stretch.  Why
>> does the trail need yet another water cache in which
>> to clutter the trail?
>> Isn't there enough already?
>>  
>> Jeff
>>  
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net> 
>>
>>     
>>> Just returned from a hike with my son around the
>>>       
>> Big Bear Area. 
>>     
>>> First, for those not intimate with the trail yet -
>>>       
>> orientation 
>>     
>>> When entering into the San Bernardino Mountains
>>>       
>> you climb from the valley 
>>     
>>> "Cabazon" or Gorgonio Pass. Climbing into the San
>>>       
>> Bernardino's you reach a
>>
>>     
>>> high point about 42 miles in called Onyx Summit at
>>>       
>> PCT mile 252. From 
>>     
>>> there, you descend into the Big Bear valley and
>>>       
>> lake area and wrap around 
>>     
>>> the north side of the lake. 
>>>
>>> We hiked from that high point, Onyx Summit Mile
>>>       
>> 252, to mid way along the 
>>     
>>> lake - road 2N09 mile 277 (actually hiked out
>>>       
>> Cougar Crest Trail just
>> before 
>>     
>>> road 2N09). 
>>>
>>> First a quick nod to Erik of www.pctatlas.com He
>>>       
>> lives in that area and is
>>
>>     
>>> willing to help hikers out with rides. He gave us
>>>       
>> a lift so we could leave
>>
>>     
>>> our car at the far end. He does not monitor this
>>>       
>> list though. To reach 
>>     
>>> him, contact via his web site. 
>>>
>>> Train conditions were in general immaculate. All
>>>       
>> blow downs on the first
>> 15 
>>     
>>> miles were cleared. Any remaining blow downs on
>>>       
>> the second 15 miles were 
>>     
>>> easy to walk around or step over. There is plenty
>>>       
>> of snow on upper 
>>     
>>> elevations of many peaks, but the PCT is
>>>       
>> completely clear. 
>>     
>>> Water: 
>>>
>>> Arrastre Trail Camp mile 256 
>>> The piped water is dry. Arrastre creek flowing and
>>>       
>> clean. Creek comes 
>>     
>>> above ground just before this camp though and is
>>>       
>> flowing nicely. Further 
>>     
>>> down trail PCT crosses creek multiple times each
>>>       
>> with more water. 
>>     
>>> Doble Trail Camp 
>>> Piped water: #1 dry, #2 dripping. #2 Pipe holds 2
>>>       
>> liters then stops for 
>>     
>>> hours of relo ading. Spring/well metal cover above
>>>       
>> pipe holding water - 
>>     
>>> filterable - lots-a-floaties. This would be a real
>>>       
>> nice place for angels 
>>     
>>> to drop off water caches. 
>>>
>>> Van Dusen road crossing / Caribou Creek mile 274 
>>> Creek flowing strong. Great camping and break area
>>>       
>> except within view of 
>>     
>>> often used dirt road. 
>>>
>>> Best to all, 
>>>
>>> Pink Gumby 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>> Pct-l mailing list 
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:05:59 -0400
>> From: "David Stewart"
>> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] tarptent contrail
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>>
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>> hello all,
>>
>> i have vetted all of my gear....but i am still
>> having trouble getting to
>> "the good tension" with my contrail. Honestly, I
>> have always had trouble
>> getting the right tension with my tents: i can just
>> never get it to look
>> like the pictures....
>>
>> i somehow lack these skills (but make up for it by
>> having awesome nunchuck
>> skills).
>>
>> would anyone out there who knows about this tent or
>> owns one be able to give
>> me some pointers at the kick-off? i would be most
>> appreciative.....
>>
>> cool. thank you.
>>
>> see you all in less than a week!!!
>> moondog
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:17:15 +0000
>> From: asabat at 4jeffrey.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] tarptent contrail
>> To: "David Stewart"
>> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>,
>> 	pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>
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>> Henry will be there so you can ask him directly. 
>>
>> AsABat
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "David Stewart"
>> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:05:59 
>> To:pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] tarptent contrail
>>
>>
>> hello all,
>>
>> i have vetted all of my gear....but i am still
>> having trouble getting to
>> "the good tension" with my contrail. Honestly, I
>> have always had trouble
>> getting the right tension with my tents: i can just
>> never get it to look
>> like the pictures....
>>
>> i somehow lack these skills (but make up for it by
>> having awesome nunchuck
>> skills).
>>
>> would anyone out there who knows about this tent or
>> owns one be able to give
>> me some pointers at the kick-off? i would be most
>> appreciative.....
>>
>> cool. thank you.
>>
>> see you all in less than a week!!!
>> moondog
>> _______________________________________________
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