[pct-l] DEAD HORSES
Jerry Goller
jerrygoller at backpackgeartest.org
Sat Aug 23 19:45:04 CDT 2008
Really? I was on the AT-L for quite awhile. It seemed about the same as
this one...... =o)
Of course, the PCT doesn't have white blazes so there was a lot less
discussion of who had *actually* hiked the *real* AT...... ;o)
Jerry
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-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Greg Hardwick
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:56 AM
To: Reinhold Metzger; Will Hiltz
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] DEAD HORSES
Do we really care? Why is PCT-l so spastic? AT-l threads are civil and
respectful..What is it with all of you?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reinhold Metzger" <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
To: "Will Hiltz" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>
Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] DEAD HORSES
> Yes, Yes, Will,
> We heard it all before.....''I don't have anything against speed
> hikers, I just don't understand why anybody would want to speed
> through pristine wilderness like this....I don't understand how they
> can enjoy their hike?''
> Does that sound familiar to you?
> If you and the other critics are so neutral why is that you are only
> slamming and criticizing Scott & Joe?
> Why are you not criticizing the other hikers that hiked through the
> closures?
> Why are you focusing on Scott & Joe?...I say sour grapes may indeed
> be the suppressed reason.
>
> And yes, your mother was right when she said ''If you don't have
> anything nice to say....."
> That is exactly the problem, the grumblers and self proclaimed critics
> had nothing nice to say they only grumbled and criticized.
> They never have anything nice to say about speed hikers....they just
> grumble.
> Are you starting to see the light?
>
> JMT Reinhold
> The one who has seen the light
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Will Hiltz wrote:
>> Rienhold-
>>
>> With respect, proclaiming this discussion as "beating a dead horse"
>> does not make it so. Indeed, being dismissive of those who would
>> raise serious concerns does nothing to advance a civil discussion.
>> There are legitimate issues being pondered here and to send repeated
>> emails dismissing those issues as mere grumbling does not contribute
>> to productive discourse. For my part, speed has never factored in my
>> interest in the issue of more effectively managing hikers traveling
>> through (or more ideally NOT traveling through) closed areas. This
>> is of interest to folks who hike every year as closures happen every
>> year. What was it my mother always said... if you don't have
>> anything nice to say.... Well, you know the rest.
>>
>>
>> YITOOD,
>>
>> Easy
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Reinhold Metzger
>> <reinholdmetzger at cox.net <mailto:reinholdmetzger at cox.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes Joanne,
>> I sympathize with you....All this grumbling and criticizing Scott
>> & Joe, by a few individuals,
>> has been upsetting to me also.
>> Seems like every time someone like Scott & Joe goes on a speed or
>> record hike a few self
>> appointed ''Judges & Critics'' of proper hiking standards, who
>> can't stand the thought of speed
>> hikers zooming by them, feel compelled to criticize the speed hikers.
>> This year was no exception.
>> Other hikers have hiked through trail closures, but only Scott &
>> Joe were singled out for
>> criticism because speed hiking is frowned upon by those individuals.
>> Ohh sure, they will proclaim ''I have nothing against speed
>> hiking,'' but then grumble between
>> their teeth.....Could sour grapes have something to do with it?
>>
>> Yes Joanne, I recommend taking a hike to all my friends....it's
>> great medicine....has a calming
>> effect on people.
>>
>> I don't know why this is so upsetting to you, as a fellow hiker
>> you should know that hiking is
>> good for you and recommending it to your friends should not be
>> criticized.
>>
>> Say Joanne, I am contemplating on going on another JMT speed hike.
>> Would you like to come along?....It might calm you down.
>>
>> BTW...The UL revolution and speed hiking are here to stay, so you
>> might as well get used to it.
>>
>> JMT Reinhold
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>> Joanne writes:
>> Actually, I have been finding all this Joe and Scott thing from you
>> Rheinhold to a little over the top.
>>
>> When I posted about Monstro ( Adam ), you were all in a panic that
>> somebody
>> that did not announce his intentions was somehow possibly going to
>> upstage
>> your buddies.
>>
>> I admire speed and endurance, I do not admire the constant
>> trumpeting of
>> their attempt that has occurred over the previous months.
>>
>> All the publicity and the trumpeting and the very public
>> announcements of
>> this attempt has put it in the public forum, and as such is open to
>> criticism. To tell detractors to "take a hike" does Scott and Joe a
>> disservice.
>>
>> Let them speak for themselves, rather than trying to share the
>> spotlight
>> with them. Maybe you should be out hiking yourself. Have you
>> ever done a
>> thruhike??
>>
>> .
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Reinhold Metzger" <reinholdmetzger at cox.net
>> <http://cox.net>
>> <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net <http://backcountry.net>
>> <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:27 PM
>> Subject: [pct-l] Scott & Joe update
>>
>>
>> >/ Tortoise,
>> />/ Compadre, good buddy, my friend....I'm proud of you....''YOU
>> HAVE SEEN THE
>> />/ LIGHT''....you are
>> />/ finally accepting that it is ''THEIR'' hike and nobody else's
>> hike.
>> />/ As such it is also nobody's business how they hike their hike
>> or to
>> />/ criticize their hike.
>> />/ And that my friend, has been the core of this argument from
>> the beginning.
>> />/
>> />/ Take my advice Tortoise....the horse is dead....stop beating it.
>> />/
>> />/ Better yet, take a hike and I promise you, I will not
>> criticize your hike
>> />/ no matter how much I
>> />/ disagree with your hiking style.
>> />/ After all, it is your hike and it is not up to me to be a self
>> appointed
>> />/ judge or critic of
>> />/ your hike.
>> />/
>> />/ Reinhold
>> />/
>> />/ --------------------------------------
>> />/
>> />/ why are you going ballistic?
>> />/ It is Joe & Scott's hike, not yours.
>> />/ It is their record not yours.
>> />/
>> />/ and if you can't stand that all of us don't agree with you
>> that is your
>> />/ problem.
>> />/
>> />/ so stop beating this "dead horse" and stop digging up old
>> "dead horses".
>> />/ You too Jeff.
>> />/
>> />/
>> />/ And if Joe & Scott's record is such a big deal, why
>> aren't/weren't you
>> />/ there for a ceremony at the finish line?
>> />/
>> />/
>> />/ Tortoise
>> />/
>> />/ <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
>> />/
>> />/
>> />/
>> />/ Reinhold Metzger wrote:
>> />>// That's right Jeff,
>> />/ />/ Tortoise will get that record for sure....he is really
>> good at beating
>> />/ />/ dead horses....he has lot's of experience.
>> />/ />/ He is a master at it.
>> />/ />/
>> />/ />/ JMT Reinhold
>> />/ />/ ----------------------------------------
>> />/ />/ Jeff wrote:
>> />/ />/ jeff.singewald at comcast.net <http://comcast.net>
>> />/ <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l> wrote
>> />/ />/ Beating a dead horse? I'm in if there is a record to be
>> attempted on
>> />/ />/ this one! This attempt may even be appropriate for the
>> tortoise(s) we
>> />/ />/ have on the list.
>> />/ />>/
>> />/ />>/
>> />/ />>/ -------------- Original message --------------
>> />/ />>/ From: "Joseph Anderson" <joedaddy44 at gmail.com
>> <http://gmail.com>
>> />/ <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
>> />/ />>/
>> />/ />>/ > Does "Beating a dead horse" mean anything to anyone?
>> /
>>
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