[pct-l] permits

[Donna Saufley]

Hey, bears can ride bicycles, even unicycles.  I can't ride a unicycle.
They've been known to pass up cheap beer for more expensive beer during
their camp raids.  To me, bears are very, very smart.  Smarter than the guy
who bought the cheap beer.

L-Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Powers [mailto:ken at gottawalk.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:34 AM
To: Bob Sartini; Donna "L-Rod" Saufley; Robert W. Freed;
pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] permits

I don't think the issue is the level of the hikers intelligence. It is more 
the level of the California bears intelligence. They really are smarter than

the average bear. I have seen mother bears pushing cubs up a tree and onto 
storage buildings to get food. I have also heard about cubs bouncing on 
limbs and lines used to hang food. I have seen bears approach a camp with a 
bear canister and when they saw the canister turn around to go to another 
camp with easier pickings. You also will hear the argument that you are 
protecting other backpackers that follow you into the backcountry by using a

bear canister to keep the bears out of your food.

As much as I hate the weight of a bear canister I think you need it.

Ken
www GottaWalk com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Sartini" <r.sartini at rcn.com>
To: "Donna "L-Rod" Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>; "Robert W. Freed" 
<robert at engravingpros.com>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] permits


When you say the Rangers make exceptions for thruhikers does that mean
bearcans are optional for thruhikers? I still don't have an idea if bear
cans  are just a "rule" or we REALLY need a bear cams. I get a lot of
"follow the rules" type answers and I'll be a good dubie and get one but do
I NEED one. If I'm a first class food hanger is that REALLY not good enough.
Are Sierra bears exposed to more clueless people than the Shendoah or the
Smokies? That would be a new level of cluelessness  I think.
"EVERYTHING is in walking distance,"
    ......Bamboo Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna "L-Rod" Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
To: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] permits


> Hmmm, I think that needs to be qualified a bit.  You don't need a Whitney
> sticker if you're accessing from the JMT's approach out of Crabtree.  You
> DO have to have a permit if you're staying overnight pretty much anywhere
> in the Sierras, or accessing the range through most side trails (ie.,
> Cottonwood Pass, Kearsarge, etc.) and some of those areas have quotas.
>
> Access to Whitney from the eastern Portal side is the ONLY place I've seen
> a ranger on the trail actively checking for permits and bear cans.  I've
> heard that they make exceptions for PCT thru-hikers, but that's not
> something I would want to leave to chance.  If a resupply in Lone Pine
> using the Whitney Portal Trail is planned, it might not be a bad idea to
> get the Whitney sticker.
>
> L-Rod
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
>>Sent: Nov 28, 2008 9:58 AM
>>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>Subject: [pct-l] permits
>>
>> In 2007 the park rangers at the inter agency ranger station in Lone Pine
>> said you only need a Whitney permit if you are entering or exiting via
>> Whitney Portal. If you are just making a Whitney detour from Crabtree
>> Meadows "no permit required". I suggest that you resupply via Onion
>> Valley. Who wants to carry a pee bag for the next hundred miles any way.
>>
>>Robert
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