[pct-l] Tent for Two

Tue Feb 5 09:56:15 CST 2008

We started with the Cloudburst Tarp Tent -- single-wall, 38 oz, about $ 250
-- which allowed plenty of room for two.  Nice feature was the bathtub
floor.  Problem was the zipper jammed frequently.  We even sent it back once
from the trail for repairs and upon receipt it jammed again.  We met several
hikers with the same problem.  We eventually shipped it home and used the
Big Agnes Seed House (under $ 200 from REI), a bit smaller and heavier than
the Tarp Tent but much sturdier and no zipper issues.  Without the fly you
can gaze at the stars through the mesh.  Sweet.

Hustle

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:20:35 -0600
From: "Joel Ramey" <joel.ramey at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] tent
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I'm looking for a two person tent for hiking the Sierras. I'm trying to go
light without breaking my budget.

I've been looking at trying to find a used tarptent, but I'm starting to
have my doubts about finding one...
Consequently I've started looking at other tents.

The ones that I've really looked at are the Mountain hardwear lightpath 2
Eureka Zeus Exo
REI quarter dome (older style)

Basically, I'm trying to stay light and sub $150

Oh, and I've tried convincing my partner to use a tarp with me, but thats a
no go, and if she's willing to help carry a tent, then I'm more than willing
to share the benefits of few bugs.

-Taildragger

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   1. Re: ounces (Donna Saufley)
   2. Re: Need Thru Hike Partner (Pea Hicks)
   3. tent (Joel Ramey)
   4. Re: tent (Jeffrey Olson)
   5. Re: Ice Ax (Lon Cooper)
   6. Ranger Arrival time in the Sierras (montypct)
   7. Re: Need Thru Hike Partner (Pea Hicks)
   8.  tent (montypct)
   9. Re: Ranger Arrival time in the Sierras (Donna Saufley)
  10.  Bear Canister "required" areas on PCT in the Sierra...
      (Postholer)
  11. Need Thru Hiker Partner (greg jacobs)
  12. Re: tent (Marcia)
  13. tent (greg jacobs)
  14. Re: tent (Randy Forsland)
  15. Re: Bear smarts (Brick Robbins)
  16. Re: tent (Randy Forsland)
  17.  Need Thru Hiker Partner (montypct)
  18.  tent (montypct)
  19. Re: Need Thru Hiker Partner (April 14 departure) (Patrick Beggan)
  20. Re: Ice Ax (Steel-Eye)
  21. Re: Need Thru Hiker Partner (April 14 departure) (Pea Hicks)
  22. Re: Need Thru Hiker Partner (April 14 departure) (virgil)
  23. public domain audio books (Pea Hicks)
  24. How Many Trail Shoes / When to buy them (Kathleen Salmon)
  25.  How Many Trail Shoes / When to buy them (montypct)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:07:49 -0800
From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ounces
To: "'montypct'" <montypct at gmail.com>,	"'PCT-L'"
	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Yes, they had arrived in June.  Their supplies had to be brought in by
helicopter though, as the horse packers couldn?t get in to drop their
supplies as they would in a normal year.  

L-Rod

   _____  

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On Behalf Of montypct
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:12 PM
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Subject: [pct-l] ounces

>The bears weren?t yet active in
the higher elevations

But were the rangers?

Warner Springs Monty

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:19:09 -0800
From: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Need Thru Hike Partner
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adam urrutia wrote:

> I would prefer not to do it by myself, but that is starting to look like 
> my only option.

hi adam, you'll find once you hit the trail that you will meet others 
and naturally fall into a partnership or group with like-minded people 
who share your pace and style. it's just the nature of how this trail 
(and thru-hiking in general) works. formal partnerships arranged in 
advance between strangers just don't tend to work out on the pct. don't 
hesitate to start solo. i guarantee you'll begin to forge many strong 
friendships within the first few days of your hike.

cheers-
girlscout

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:20:35 -0600
From: "Joel Ramey" <joel.ramey at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] tent
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I'm looking for a two person tent for hiking the Sierras. I'm trying to go
light without breaking my budget.

I've been looking at trying to find a used tarptent, but I'm starting to
have my doubts about finding one...
Consequently I've started looking at other tents.

The ones that I've really looked at are the Mountain hardwear lightpath 2
Eureka Zeus Exo
REI quarter dome (older style)

Basically, I'm trying to stay light and sub $150

Oh, and I've tried convincing my partner to use a tarp with me, but thats a
no go, and if she's willing to help carry a tent, then I'm more than willing
to share the benefits of few bugs.

-Taildragger
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0700
From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:32:20 -0800
From: "Lon Cooper" <loncooper at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice Ax
To: Steel-Eye <chelin at teleport.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, David Craft <chsyhkr at gmail.com>
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Steel-Eye, what did you use for a slip-resistant grip on your Ice Ax?

On Feb 4, 2008 6:28 AM, Steel-Eye <chelin at teleport.com> wrote:

> Subsequently, I added a leash and provided a highly slip-resistant grip
> surface to the shaft.
>
>

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:33:18 -0800
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Ranger Arrival time in the Sierras
To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Donna wrote:
Yes, they had arrived in June.  Their supplies had to be brought in by
helicopter though, as the horse packers couldn't get in to drop their
supplies as they would in a normal year.  

Monty writes:

In 2004 we (me and the Killer Bees) hiked with a ranger who was hiking in to
her post from Woods Creek to just north of Pinchot Pass.  She didn't know if
her supplies were coming by horse or air even that year.
That was late June.  Besides the ranger on top of Whitney, she was the first
one we saw.

Last year I saw no rangers until after July first, and that was north of
VVR.

Warner Springs Monty

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:39:52 -0800
From: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Need Thru Hike Partner
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Kathi wrote:
> Hello Girlscout,
> I see this comment made a lot on the PCT-l and I have a question maybe 
> you can answer. I know that once I am out hiking I will meet people and 
> all that good stuff... and can't wait! But, I wonder what it is like 
> those first few days? Do you generally meet people from the get go when 
> you start at the border? Are your first few days alone and then you meet 
> up with others???

this all depends on when you start. if you start way before or behind 
the curve, then you'll meet fewer folks, maybe none for the first few 
days. but if you start, say, anywhere between mid april and mid may, 
you're gonna meet people, probably the first day. and if you start on 
the adzpctko weekend (last weekend in april), you'll be right in the 
middle of "the herd," and may actually wish for LESS company.

just one random example- last year i delivered a hiker to the southern 
terminus, and, as usual that time of year, there was another hiker being 
delivered by someone else at the very same time. they quickly introduced 
themselves to each other and decided to set off together... and ended up 
hiking almost the entire pct together, becoming extremely close friends 
in the process. this is sort of an extreme example, but suffice it to 
say that if you're looking to make friends and meet people to hike with 
on the pct, you will have no problem whatsoever.

  I am planning for 2010 and this is something I always
> wonder. I know I will do much better with a loose organization of other 
> hiking parters because I can be quite independent, but I am also a 
> little bit of a chicken about sleeping outdoors by myself.

you'll get over this VERY quickly. trust me! more importantly, trust 
YOURSELF! :)

cheers!
girlscout

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:41:36 -0800
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]  tent
To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <3e6301c86787$7da23f10$067f5142 at Monty>
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The Refuge
http://sixmoondesigns.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=53 
add another $50 and here's one for $200.00
27 ounces

Ron's done it again!!

or for more comfort and money
Lunar Duo
http://sixmoondesigns.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=47
39 ounces

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:44:48 -0800
From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ranger Arrival time in the Sierras
To: "'montypct'" <montypct at gmail.com>,	"'PCT-L'"
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Now that you mention it, it was the 6th of July, since I had come back up
Kersarge Pass after the celebration in Independence on the 5th, and camped
one night at Charlotte Lake, where this ranger was then stationed.   I met
him on his patrol at Glen Pass.  He said that he and the other rangers been
there since mid-June, noting the need for chopper drops because of the snow.
Backcountry rangers rock.

L-Rod

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From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of montypct
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:33 PM
To: PCT-L
Subject: [pct-l] Ranger Arrival time in the Sierras

Donna wrote:

Yes, they had arrived in June.  Their supplies had to be brought in by
helicopter though, as the horse packers couldn?t get in to drop their
supplies as they would in a normal year.  

Monty writes:

In 2004 we (me and the Killer Bees) hiked with a ranger who was hiking in to
her post from Woods Creek to just north of Pinchot Pass.  She didn't know if
her supplies were coming by horse or air even that year.

That was late June.  Besides the ranger on top of Whitney, she was the first
one we saw.

Last year I saw no rangers until after July first, and that was north of
VVR.

Warner Springs Monty

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:46:45 -0800
From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
Subject: [pct-l]  Bear Canister "required" areas on PCT in the
	Sierra...
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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In the hunter, gatherer sense man has always 'affected the balance'. Man has

been removed from the natural process completely and replaced by 'policy' in

some areas. Choose the human intervention that suits you best...

The current, popular policy says, "bears and people will coexist without 
conflcit in the same 1000 square foot area." Time will test this cartoonish,

un-natural concept; especially with the continuing commercialization of 
National Parks.

More civilization, less wild life. More wild life, less civilization. Do the

math, you can't have it both ways.

Bear canisters are not even remotely the answer.

Northern Califonia has solved it's bear problem. Bears are wary of humans, 
as it should be in the natural order. The local population is pressing for 
hunting permits during 'Tourist Season'. In the mean time, even the bears 
know to run from a lumbering RV with a geriatric driver behind the wheel. 
(tic)

-postholer

<<<<
...Although bears are hunted throughout California, the stats indicate that 
most are in northern California rather than the Sierra Nevada.

Btw, Wandering Bob usually makes lots of sense, but I had to scratch my head
about his suggestion that the way to solve the problem of "man [trying] to
fool around with that natural balance" is for man to fool around even more
by "immediately start[ing] a massive reduction" of the bear population.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:21:34 -0800
From: "greg jacobs" <pcthiker08 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Need Thru Hiker Partner
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hey Adam, there will be a few of us starting around that date, so you wont
be alone out there at the start, ill be leaving campo on the 14th and so
will at least one other person i know of, cya on the trail and of course
HYOH, thats especially improtant at the begining as we all adjust to trail
life
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:22 -0800
From: "Marcia" <gottawalk at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent
To: "Joel Ramey" <joel.ramey at gmail.com>,	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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-Taildragger,

Ken and I like the Black Diamond (formerly Bibler) HiLight at 1# 14 oz,
poles another 8 oz. Ventilation is good but it is not a good AT drenching
multi-day rain tent. The combo is light but not the least expensive.

The tent is single wall, free standing with internal poles so you climb in
then set up in bad weather. I may be wrong but I think tents are like rain
gear. Nothing will keep you totally dry in an all day gully washer.

Tent http://www.bdel.com/gear/hilight.php
Poles http://www.fibraplex.com/tentpoles.htm

We know pilots that are "ounce weenies" who have calculated the cost of each
ounce reduced. Your wallet gets lighter as the gear gets lighter. 

...GottaWalk
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:44:38 -0800
From: "greg jacobs" <pcthiker08 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] tent
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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the big agness SL2 is pretty sweet, it is 300$ though, but a great tent for
two and handles any weather you might run into
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:45:07 -0800
From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent
To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I just received my Refuge last week. I weighed it (including the stuff sack)
on a very accurate scale at work and it came in at 25.8 oz..first time that
ever happened with me...Tents, bags, and the like have always seemed to be
an oz or two heavier than advertised..

Great job on the tent...

Couchman
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: montypct 
  To: PCT-L 
  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:41 PM
  Subject: [pct-l] tent

  The Refuge
  http://sixmoondesigns.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=53 
  add another $50 and here's one for $200.00
  27 ounces

  Ron's done it again!!

  or for more comfort and money
  Lunar Duo
  http://sixmoondesigns.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=47
  39 ounces

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:56:16 -0800
From: "Brick Robbins" <brick at fastpack.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear smarts
To: "Len Glassner" <len5742 at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Because, they learn from their mistakes, and that mistake only happens
once....

On Feb 4, 2008 12:22 PM, Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com> wrote:
> If bears are so smart, why don't they figure out that they'll be
> killed if they bust a can open?

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:10:32 -0800
From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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If you are not extremely concerned about weight (dividing it up among two
hikers makes it preety reasonable), then I'll second the SD Clip Flashlight
at a bit under 5 lbs

or the non SL (super light) version of the SL2..The Big Agnes Seedhouse 2
weighs in at around 4 lbs and change with poles,stakes and everything.
else.. And they are cheap.

Here is a link to an eBay store that carries them..

http://cgi.ebay.com/BIG-AGNES-SEEDHOUSE-2-PERSON-TENT-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ370
018472584QQihZ024QQcategoryZ36118QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Couchman

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  From: greg jacobs 
  To: pct-l at backcountry.net 
  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:44 PM
  Subject: [pct-l] tent

  the big agness SL2 is pretty sweet, it is 300$ though, but a great tent
for two and handles any weather you might run into

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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:14:56 -0800
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]  Need Thru Hiker Partner
To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Looks like quite a few of us starting at that date  14th or 15th.  There may
be an actual "group" of us, formally and informally.  An easy paced Section
A.  Easing in our feet, testing our gear, and making gear adjustments at
Warner Springs.

Warner Springs Monty

>>Hey Adam, there will be a few of us starting around that date, so you wont
be alone out there at the start, ill be leaving campo on the 14th and so

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:18:25 -0800
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]  tent
To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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You're not going to send it back to get your full 27 ounces?
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:25:44 -0800
From: Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Need Thru Hiker Partner (April 14 departure)
To: montypct <montypct at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Yeah, I'll be out there on the 14th or 15th. Taking my time, planning  
to reach Kennedy Meadows first few days of June (2nd, 3rd or 4th) but  
beyond that without any serious time or distance goals. I guess more  
people are starting with me than I thought. I figured I'd only see a  
couple other people until the ADZPCTKO people caught up with me.

On Feb 4, 2008, at 5:14 PM, montypct wrote:

> Looks like quite a few of us starting at that date  14th or 15th.   
> There may be an actual "group" of us, formally and informally.  An  
> easy paced Section A.  Easing in our feet, testing our gear, and  
> making gear adjustments at Warner Springs.
>
> Warner Springs Monty
>
>
> >>Hey Adam, there will be a few of us starting around that date, so  
> you wont
> be alone out there at the start, ill be leaving campo on the 14th  
> and so
>
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:03:12 -0800
From: "Steel-Eye" <chelin at teleport.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice Ax
To: "Lon Cooper" <loncooper at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Good evening, Lon,

For the slip-resistant surface on my axe I applied a product called "3M
Safety-Walk", which is heavy duty, sticky-backed, sandpaper used for walkway
surfaces.  A local hardware store had various sizes and shapes, so I got a
package of 2"x 9" pieces which I trimmed to 6" for installation.  Each 6"
strip weighs 0.25 oz.  A strip was applied longitudinally to both the front
and the back of the shaft.  Each strip wrapped around the sides of the shaft
leaving only a 1/8" gap down each side uncovered.  After applying the strips
I temporarily wrapped the entire area tightly with nylon cord to encourage
the adhesive to adapt to, and retain, its new curved shape.

I really like it, but if I had to chop barehanded for an extended period its
roughness might irritate my skin.  With even the thinnest gloves it can be
appreciated but not felt. It's an outdoor product, and after some use and
soaking it hasn't warn or loosened.

Enjoy,

Steel-Eye

^^^^^^^^^^  Join other hikers at:  http://www.aldhawest.org/  ^^^^^^^^^^

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lon Cooper" <loncooper at gmail.com>
To: "Steel-Eye" <chelin at teleport.com>
Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "David Craft" <chsyhkr at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice Ax

> Steel-Eye, what did you use for a slip-resistant grip on your Ice Ax?
>
> On Feb 4, 2008 6:28 AM, Steel-Eye <chelin at teleport.com> wrote:
>
>> Subsequently, I added a leash and provided a highly slip-resistant grip
>> surface to the shaft.
>>
>>

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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:19:28 -0800
From: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Need Thru Hiker Partner (April 14 departure)
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Patrick Beggan wrote:
> Yeah, I'll be out there on the 14th or 15th. Taking my time, planning to 
> reach Kennedy Meadows first few days of June (2nd, 3rd or 4th) but 
> beyond that without any serious time or distance goals. I guess more 
> people are starting with me than I thought. I figured I'd only see a 
> couple other people until the ADZPCTKO people caught up with me.

plenty of folks start mid-april. you can typically count on several per 
day at that time.

girlscout

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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:19:15 -0800
From: virgil <virgil at baloney.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Need Thru Hiker Partner (April 14 departure)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Monday 04 February 2008 5:25:44 Patrick Beggan wrote:
> Yeah, I'll be out there on the 14th or 15th. Taking my time, planning
> to reach Kennedy Meadows first few days of June (2nd, 3rd or 4th) but
> beyond that without any serious time or distance goals. I guess more
> people are starting with me than I thought. I figured I'd only see a
> couple other people until the ADZPCTKO people caught up with me.

Dream on!

I've hiked north from the border a half dozen times now, starting anywhere 
from early april to mid may and I've never seen less than 5 or 6 different  
hikers a day all the way up to hiker heaven.
 Ok, most of them were passing me, but still, unless you start in march,
it'll 
be 'crowded' out there...

-- 
"I came into this game for adventure - go anywhere, travel light, get in,
get
out, wherever there's trouble, a man alone."

Robert De Niro as Harry Tuttle in Brazil.

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:33:49 -0800
From: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
Subject: [pct-l] public domain audio books
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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for those like myself who like to listen to mp3 audiobooks while they 
walk, here's a great site with the stated goal of making freely shared 
recordings of all public domain books:

http://librivox.org/

since the readers are all volunteer (anyone can join in), you get a 
range of quality, but many of them are quite professional. i'm currently 
listening to a john muir book and the reader is excellent.

cheers-
girlscout

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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:13:09 -0500 (EST)
From: "Kathleen Salmon" <ksalmon at wesleyan.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] How Many Trail Shoes / When to buy them
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hello all,

I am reading that people tend to wear 4-6 pairs of shoes. Thoughts?

I have also read that feet sometimes swell/expand, sometimes even a 1/2
size larger. Thoughts?

So I am thinking of buying replacement shoes along the trail to ensure
that I have the proper size. But I cringe at the thought of breaking in a
new pair of shoes on trail. Thoughts?

Thank you for your thoughts,
Kathleen

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:05:11 -0800
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]  How Many Trail Shoes / When to buy them
To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <3ee001c867ac$5097a350$067f5142 at Monty>
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Hi Kathleen
>I have also read that feet sometimes swell/expand, sometimes even a 1/2
size larger. Thoughts?

There are a few people whose feet expanded 1/2 size.  There are MANY more
than that whose feet expanded a full size or more.
My first time I wore shoes my regular size for the first 110 miles.  My feet
never recovered the entire season.

I buy my shoes 1 1/2 to 2 sizes bigger.  If i stay below 35 miles a day i
don't get blisters.

>But I cringe at the thought of breaking in a
new pair of shoes on trail. Thoughts?

The number one solution is not in the shoes.  If my feet are "broken in" or
conditioned maybe 70 days in advance, the hazards of breaking in a new pair
of shoes is greatly reduced.
I have never had to worry about breaking in shoes, especially if they fit
well to begin with.  I buy lightweight trailrunners that are flexible and
oversized.  I bought three pair in December.  I am "breaking them in"
anyway.  I got a defective shoe of a type i had been using last year that
about killed me.  When my new shoes are shipped to me they will be test
driven.

So I do shoes in advance, 2 sizes too big, flexible trail runners, enough
room to move from side to side and never laced with any tension.  Your
mileage may vary.

Oh, I also buy shoes by phone or online and have them shipped ahead, but
that's how I got that defective pair... careful.

Warner Springs Monty
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