[pct-l] Hiking with Dogs
ben and kim kohl
benkimkohl at atlanticbb.net
Mon Feb 25 11:34:37 CST 2008
Forget about the inconvenience of stepping in dog *#@! or having a dog pee
on your pack (which happened several times along the trail)- think about the
poor dog walking 20+ mile days through the desert. We ran into a hiker with
a great dog that was near death from dehydration. She had done everything
for her dog but the dog simply had enough. The hiker got off trail at
Tehachapi to spare her pet further harm.
Hustle & Flow
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Today's Topics:
1. Jacket Shopping (montypct)
2. Re: Hikers and their dogs (Andrea Dinsmore)
3. Re: ADZPCTKO and gear (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
4. Walking 10,000 miles 12,000 years ago! (Bighummel at aol.com)
5. Re: hiking with a little dog (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
6. Re: hiking with a little dog (G. Lowe aka Wheeew)
7. Re: hiking with a little dog (Sandi)
8. Re: ADZPCTKO and gear (Hiker97 at aol.com)
9. Re: hiking with a little dog (DAVCATDAV at aol.com)
10. Re: hiking with a little dog (G. Lowe aka Wheeew)
11. (no subject) (DAVCATDAV at aol.com)
12. Re: Jacket Shopping (DAVCATDAV at aol.com)
13. hiking with a little dog (Alison Rose)
14. Re: hiking with a little dog (robo hiker)
15. PCT wiki (David Stewart)
16. Question for 2007 thru-hikers (minnjohn1 at aol.com)
17. Re: Hikers and their dogs (Greg Kesselring)
18. Hiking with a small dog..... (Pat Wormington)
19. hiking with a little dog (Rena Johnston)
20. hiking with a little dog (stewjohns at comcast.net)
21. Re: hiking with a little dog (Patrick Beggan)
22. Re: Hikers and their dogs (Steve Scoles)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:10:14 -0800
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Jacket Shopping
To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Mont Bell UL down jacket 7.5 oz
I used it last year and in '05. Great. on the edge for me in colder
weather, but great with a good system. A wind shirt or rain jacket are
needed in wind.
Also their Thermawrap..... a few ounces more. Used it for Washington snow
and rain. Warmer than the down.
Used it last night. I ran into another 2008 thru-hiker Len Glasner) last
night wearing one out in the desert.
They have very few retail outlets to try them on though.
Warner Springs Monty
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:11:20 -0800
From: "Andrea Dinsmore" <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers and their dogs
To: "minnjohn1 at aol.com" <minnjohn1 at aol.com>
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There was a lot of "dog" talk back in Nov. 2007. Might be good to go back
and see what others said. They start about mid month and have "dog or
doggie" in the subject heading. It's a sore subject in my book. But that's
just because of the condition I've seen hiker's best friends in when they
come through our place (2400 miles into the trail). Remember, they will
follow you anywhere because they love you. Even if it kills them.
http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2007-November/date.html
PCT MOM
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:22:07 +0000
From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO and gear
To: Jordan2ynp at aol.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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First of all ADZ is not just for the current year hikers. In fact, there
will be more past year, future year and wanna-bes there than there will be
2008 thru-hikers. There are a lot of hanger-ons as I call them. As a 2006
alum, I will be back to visit and provide rides as necessary.
The gear booths are a way to help support ADZ. These vendors, I believe,
sponsor some part of ADZ and it gives many folks a chance to see what the
cottage industry gear manuafatures have on the market.
Elevator
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As much as I am looking forward to ADZPCTKO, I find it funny they have gear
for sale and an auction. Does anybody go there ready to hike and decides not
to buy trekking poles because Liki might have a booth? This sounds crazy to
me. Who would be all ready for a hike, and then buy something for their pack
when they already have it set up perfectly? I have never been there, seen
it, or been apart of ADZPCTKO yet, so if anybody could explain why there is
gear for sale it would ease my inquisitive mind.
Good Times
P.S. I can't wait for ADZPCTKO. As a social hiker I am looking forward to
being another cow in the heard.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:31:23 EST
From: Bighummel at aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Walking 10,000 miles 12,000 years ago!
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In the book "1491" (a great read BTW about how the Americas were before the
Europeans arrived from the most recent archaeological evidence and theories)
they say, "Archaeologists had tended to believe that paleo-Indians would
have
needed millenia to walk from the north end of the Americas to the south."
Ha, ha, haaa!!!! WE all know better, don't we?
Greg "Strider" Hummel
"Not forever on earth; only a little while here.
Be it jade, it shatters.
Be it gold, it breaks.
Be it a quetzal feather, it tears apart.
Not forever on earth, only a little while here."
"Like a painting, we will be erased.
Like a flower, we will dry up here on earth.
Like plumed vestments of the precious bird,
That precious bird with the agile neck,
We will come to an end."
Nezahualcoyotl (1402-72)
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:34:33 +0000
From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
To: "Rena Johnston" <renajf at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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With all this talk about Gail's (Wheew) plan to bring her dog, I am
surprised she hasn't spoken up. For those of you that haven't read her
journal, note that she actually has a carry sling for the pooch and will
likely carry the dog for much of the hike. It appears from pictures that
the pooch can cuddle up in the sling protected from those nasty rays.
Additionally, if I recall correctly, she has already made plans with several
trail angels to dog-sit while she makes her way through the Sierra as she is
well aware that dogs are not allowed in the National Parks.
I think Gail knows fully well, what she and her pooch are getting into. She
is an AT vet and knows what life on the trail is like. From the sounds of
it, if the system is not working out, she will adjust her hike so that she
can do what she feels is best for the pooch.
By the way, since Andrea mentioned it, does anybody have any records of how
many dogs have died along the PCT, because their owners didn't know what was
best for the dog? I know of several reports of dogs coming through the
desert with detached pads and such, but fortunately haven't heard of any
that have succommed. Well, with the exception of the one that Scott
mentioned he spiced up his Ramen with.
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From: "Rena Johnston" <renajf at gmail.com>
One more thing to remember is that in the Sierras you need to protect your
dog against Heartworms. This is probably something you already do, but just
in case it isn't something you have to do in your area, it is something you
will need to start at least a month ahead of your start of your trip. a
proud mom of a thru-hiker
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:48:56 -0800 (PST)
From: "G. Lowe aka Wheeew" <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
To: jeff.singewald at comcast.net, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Thank God for the Elevator that carries us waaaay above all the doggie do-do
on the list.
I am sooooo over this topic and can't respond to those who haven't taken
the time to follow all the postings I've written regarding it.
Thank you Jeff for saying it better than I could have and for knowing that
I plan to HMDH!!!
Wheeew
www.trailjournals.com/wheeew
jeff.singewald at comcast.net wrote:
With all this talk about Gail's (Wheew) plan to bring her dog, I am
surprised she hasn't spoken up. For those of you that haven't read her
journal, note that she actually has a carry sling for the pooch and will
likely carry the dog for much of the hike. It appears from pictures that
the pooch can cuddle up in the sling protected from those nasty rays.
Additionally, if I recall correctly, she has already made plans with
several trail angels to dog-sit while she makes her way through the Sierra
as she is well aware that dogs are not allowed in the National Parks.
I think Gail knows fully well, what she and her pooch are getting into.
She is an AT vet and knows what life on the trail is like. From the sounds
of it, if the system is not working out, she will adjust her hike so that
she can do what she feels is best for the pooch.
By the way, since Andrea mentioned it, does anybody have any records of
how many dogs have died along the PCT, because their owners didn't know what
was best for the dog? I know of several reports of dogs coming through the
desert with detached pads and such, but fortunately haven't heard of any
that have succommed. Well, with the exception of the one that Scott
mentioned he spiced up his Ramen with.
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From: "Rena Johnston" <renajf at gmail.com>
One more thing to remember is that in the Sierras you need to protect your
dog against Heartworms. This is probably something you already do, but just
in case it isn't something you have to do in your area, it is something you
will need to start at least a month ahead of your start of your trip. a
proud mom of a thru-hiker From: "Rena Johnston" <renajf at gmail.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:42:09 +0000
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:59:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Sandi <bowed1heart at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
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I have a big dog. She's shepherd/blue heeler. She has a backpack for her
food and water, a doggie sleep pad, doggie boots....and she will have those
sunglasses that someone sent the link for. I am a cat person...but Two Face
wormed her way in and as someone on the Women's Hiker list said...."Hike
Your Dog's Hike". Good way to put it!
jeff.singewald at comcast.net wrote: With all this talk about Gail's (Wheew)
plan to bring her dog, I am surprised she hasn't spoken up. For those of
you that haven't read her journal, note that she actually has a carry sling
for the pooch and will likely carry the dog for much of the hike. It
appears from pictures that the pooch can cuddle up in the sling protected
from those nasty rays.
Additionally, if I recall correctly, she has already made plans with
several trail angels to dog-sit while she makes her way through the Sierra
as she is well aware that dogs are not allowed in the National Parks.
I think Gail knows fully well, what she and her pooch are getting into.
She is an AT vet and knows what life on the trail is like. From the sounds
of it, if the system is not working out, she will adjust her hike so that
she can do what she feels is best for the pooch.
By the way, since Andrea mentioned it, does anybody have any records of
how many dogs have died along the PCT, because their owners didn't know what
was best for the dog? I know of several reports of dogs coming through the
desert with detached pads and such, but fortunately haven't heard of any
that have succommed. Well, with the exception of the one that Scott
mentioned he spiced up his Ramen with.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:00:31 EST
From: Hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO and gear
To: jeff.singewald at comcast.net, Jordan2ynp at aol.com,
pct-l at backcountry.net
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Elevator wrote: First of all ADZ is not just for the current year hikers.
In fact, there will be more past year, future year and wanna-bes there than
there will be 2008 thru-hikers. There are a lot of hanger-ons as I call
them.
As a 2006 alum, I will be back to visit and provide rides as necessary.
The
gear booths are a way to help support ADZ. These vendors, I believe,
sponsor some part of ADZ and it gives many folks a chance to see what the
cottage
industry gear manufactures have on the market.
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Switchback replies: I think Elevator is right on with this. There is no
pressure to buy anything at all. This year at the April Kickoff, they
might put
me in charge of the Hiker's Box. If my understanding is correct, this is
where hikers bring items they want to donate to other hikers. All is free.
I
plan to bring lots of old gear this year, like I did last year --- I
encourage everyone to do the same. Also, I will bring some items again for
the
Silent Auction, which is a donated bid money to help cover expenses. Neat.
Another interesting thing about this year's Kickoff is that it might be the
first year that the whole park is reserved for the Kickoff participants ---
at least I have heard that might be true this year. That would be kind of
neat too.
Of course, I am in the future thru hiker-wanna-bes category of participants
for my 2013 Thru Hike. Heh, heh, heh.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:31:00 EST
From: DAVCATDAV at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Test..test..test..can I post?
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:31:32 -0800 (PST)
From: "G. Lowe aka Wheeew" <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
To: robo hiker <robohiker at hotmail.com>, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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That would explain why all the coyotes on the PCT, that live out in the wild
world of snow and sun, 24/7, are running around bumping into each other.
Thank goodness someone explained the scientific cause!!!!!
Ok. I couldn't resist just one post..............
Ok. One more: Just for the record, Ori's vet has given him 100% support
for this undertaking.....no reservations WHATSOEVER!!!
Wheeew
robo hiker <robohiker at hotmail.com> wrote:
.hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage {
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } i too wish her the best.
p.s. i knew of a guy who takes his little dog on alot of day hikes in the
mountains of nh through snow,above treeline in winter. the poor little guy
got cateracts from sun exposure to his eyes, he was the kind of dog that has
a little hair over his eyes too.
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:20:56 -0800
From: pcthiker08 at gmail.com
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
i dont feel your being negative at all, i think you making perfect sense
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:36:15 EST
From: DAVCATDAV at aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
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test..test...test
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:38:16 EST
From: DAVCATDAV at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jacket Shopping
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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test..test..test..
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:48:52 -0800
From: "Alison Rose" <a.rose at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Dear Gail ~
Coyotes are primarily nocturnal animals.
Wes
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:48:06 +0000
From: robo hiker <robohiker at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
To: "G. Lowe aka Wheeew" <gailpl2003 at yahoo.com>, PCT
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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look, i did say "i wish you the best". then i added a true story of a man
with dog. it's no mystery that long exposure to strong sunlight will give
you cateracts unless you take precautions against it. there might be a
small difference in the fact that wild canines are basicly born and live
outside, so might be more adapted to their enviroment. house pets spend more
time indoors with unnatural light and protected from the sun. kind of like
if we spend alot of time indoors and then go outside. no i'm not a scientist
or optomitrist but to me,you sound grumpy and bitter.
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:31:32 -0800From: gailpl2003 at yahoo.comSubject: Re:
[pct-l] hiking with a little dogTo: robohiker at hotmail.com;
pct-l at backcountry.net
That would explain why all the coyotes on the PCT, that live out in the wild
world of snow and sun, 24/7, are running around bumping into each other.
Thank goodness someone explained the scientific cause!!!!!
Ok. I couldn't resist just one post..............
Ok. One more: Just for the record, Ori's vet has given him 100% support
for this undertaking.....no reservations WHATSOEVER!!!
Wheeewrobo hiker <robohiker at hotmail.com> wrote:
i too wish her the best. p.s. i knew of a guy who takes his little dog on
alot of day hikes in the mountains of nh through snow,above treeline in
winter. the poor little guy got cateracts from sun exposure to his eyes, he
was the kind of dog that has a little hair over his eyes too.
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:20:56 -0800From: pcthiker08 at gmail.comTo:
pct-l at backcountry.netSubject: [pct-l] hiking with a little dogi dont feel
your being negative at all, i think you making perfect sense
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:35:24 +0100
From: "David Stewart" <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] PCT wiki
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this thing looks awesome: http://www.pctwiki.org/
everyone should go to this site and correct things, offer ideas, etc...
wikis can be very good, super helpful and really well organized.... with
help from the *right* people....
4 days of work left....pray, think, smile for me!!!
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:31:45 -0500
From: minnjohn1 at aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Question for 2007 thru-hikers
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Any input from 2007 thru-hikers that made it through Washington is
appreciated.
I found out there are some updates to the PCT Oregon & Washington book
published by Wilderness Press. In fact, I downloaded them from their web
site - all 100+ pages of updates. These updates are for their 6th and new
7th editions of the book. But, my question is about a detour that is
detailed in these updates. It is called the "Indian Pass to Miners Creek
Detour" and the following paragraph from Wilderness Press introduces their
description.
"In October 2003, a storm damaged 45 miles of the PCT in Washington State,
from Indian Pass to Miners
Creek, making some sections in that stretch extremely difficult. Following
is a description of the
51.7- mile detour, which requires a high degree of backcountry skill due to
difficult navigation and deep
river fords."
The detour looks complicated. According to Wilderness Press, the detour was
available to the 2007 thru-hikers. My question?is - did any of you take this
detour or did you follow the original PCT?? Can you give me some input on
this? As stated above, Wilderness Press labels the detour as requiring "a
high degree of backcountry skill due to difficult navigation and deep river
fords".
John - from Minnesota
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:32:05 -0700
From: Greg Kesselring <gkesselr at whidbey.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers and their dogs
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:42:48 -0800
From: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Hiking with a small dog.....
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I remember hiking the Feather River Canyon, north rim in the burn
area July 4. We had our Airedale Addie with us and were walking down
into the canyon. It was so hot it felt like we had opened the oven
door. It was a blast of hot air. The trail was so hot my husband had
to carry her. At gound level the trail is many degrees hotter. A
little dog would die in those conditions. I always carried rawhide dog
boots and waterproof tape, when I sectioned hiked with our Hailey. I
was close to home then so could abort the hike easily if needed. The
dogs stay home and keep my husband company.
Jollylopper
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:54:27 -0800
From: "Rena Johnston" <renajf at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, jeff.singewald at comcast.net
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Wow, actually I was referring to one of your entries Jeff about crossing the
Kings River when I was talking about how cold and swift the water was. I
know from experience how hard it is for a little dog to get back his body
heat (harder than a human), and I am only concerned, does a Vet in Michigan
have any idea of what the PCT is like? I realize she has come up with a
carrier for him, I was just pointing out some of the obstacles I feel could
cause problems for them both (losing her footing because of being off
balance from both packs). I acknowledged that I was sure she had much more
experience than me, and had probably thought things out, but I was only
trying to bring up some concerns. And I have read her journal, and did not
see anything suggesting she had made plans with anyone to help in areas that
he wouldn't be allowed, glad to know that and forgive me for being
concerned. However after reading her last post about her hike of Mt.
Whitney, it appears she doesn't always plan ahead that well, and I am glad
to know she is okay from it and I am sure learned a great deal from it. Her
response makes me feel sad, apparently mine and robohiker's concerns were an
annoyance. I was not trying to annoy her, I have been worried about these
things and wanted to put them out there. So after the response I received,
I'll just wish them the best and not worry. I am amazed at the way people on
this site get so upset with people who don't agree with them 100%, or try to
help with bringing up a different perspective. It really feels like many
aren't that open minded as they want people to think they are.
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:22:43 +0000
From: stewjohns at comcast.net
Subject: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net (PCT-L list)
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Rena Johnston writes:
Her
response makes me feel sad, apparently mine and robohiker's concerns were an
annoyance. I was not trying to annoy her, I have been worried about these
things and wanted to put them out there. So after the response I received,
I'll just wish them the best and not worry. I am amazed at the way people on
this site get so upset with people who don't agree with them 100%, or try to
help with bringing up a different perspective. It really feels like many
aren't that open minded as they want people to think they are.
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Well, have you ever heard the term "Unsolicited Advice"?
Gail has covered this topic to death, and I can assure you she knows all the
problems associated
with bringing her dog. She didn't ask for anyones advice, and to impose
yours upon her is rude.
Concern is one thing, but it amounts to criticism when you do it the way you
did. If you were so
concerned about the welfare of her dog, why not just privately e-mail her
and open a dialog on the
subject rather than malign her in public.
Really now, this subject has been beaten to death here. Let it be.
Doc Holiday
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:25:02 -0800
From: Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking with a little dog
To: stewjohns at comcast.net, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Notably Wheeew also knows all about being rude.
This whole discussion is a waste of time and should just be dropped --
I'd really like to not see anymore e-mails with this subject line in
my inbox, as I put Wheeew on my blocker exactly so I wouldn't have to
hear about little dogs on the trail and all associated topics.
On Feb 25, 2008, at 8:22 AM, stewjohns at comcast.net wrote:
> Rena Johnston writes:
>
> Her
> response makes me feel sad, apparently mine and robohiker's concerns
> were an
> annoyance. I was not trying to annoy her, I have been worried about
> these
> things and wanted to put them out there. So after the response I
> received,
> I'll just wish them the best and not worry. I am amazed at the way
> people on
> this site get so upset with people who don't agree with them 100%,
> or try to
> help with bringing up a different perspective. It really feels like
> many
> aren't that open minded as they want people to think they are.
>
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> Well, have you ever heard the term "Unsolicited Advice"?
>
> Gail has covered this topic to death, and I can assure you she knows
> all the problems associated
> with bringing her dog. She didn't ask for anyones advice, and to
> impose yours upon her is rude.
> Concern is one thing, but it amounts to criticism when you do it the
> way you did. If you were so
> concerned about the welfare of her dog, why not just privately e-
> mail her and open a dialog on the
> subject rather than malign her in public.
>
> Really now, this subject has been beaten to death here. Let it be.
>
> Doc Holiday
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:31:10 -0800
From: "Steve Scoles" <steve at whidbey.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers and their dogs
To: "Greg Kesselring" <gkesselr at whidbey.com>, <minnjohn1 at aol.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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My experience with dogs on the PCT and other trails, over 40+ years, has
been more negative than positive. It is not one problem dog or owner out of
50, it is more like one out of three. Last summer a great short trip was
just about ruined for my friends and I when a German Shepherd invaded our
camp and would not go away. The dog was after our food, peed on our tent
and gear, and jumped all over us. We spent an hour yelling up and down the
PCT trying to locate the owner. Finally the owner appeared and was
completely oblivious to our complaints. Dog owners like this are
unconscious that their wonderful pooch is something that everyone should
just love and accept like they do.
Please leave your dogs at home. If you must bring Fido, then obey the leash
laws and understand that you may be the only person on the trail who loves
your dog. And just because you think that doggie is having as good a time
hiking 2650 miles as you are, does not make it necessarily so.
Thank You!
--Coyote Steve
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From: Greg Kesselring
To: minnjohn1 at aol.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers and their dogs
I have had crazy drivers on the road almost kill me with their erratic
driving behavior. Therefore, I believe all drivers should stay off the
roads.
I have been in car campgrounds where climbers kept everyone awake late
into the night with their beer drinking and story telling. Personally I
wish all climbers should stay away from car campgrounds.
I have seen bicycle riders disobey traffic laws while on the road.
Therefore, all bicycles should be banned from streets and roads.
You get the idea. It's really too bad that a few inconsiderate and
irresponsible dog owners give dogs a bad name, and the result is that people
come to hate dogs and don't want to be around them. But this is
generalizing and stereotyping that's no different than wanting to exclude
all drivers from the road because some drivers are irresponsible and
reckless. If there's one bad dog (bad owner, actually) out of 20 or 50 or
100, should the responsible dog owners suffer because of that one bad owner?
minnjohn1 at aol.com wrote:
I've been reading about the hikers planning to take their dogs with them
on the PCT. I just have to put in my $0.02 worth. Personnally, I wish they
would leave their dogs at home. I like dogs. I grew up with an English
Spaniel. He was a great friend to me. But, dogs are animals and I think many
owners forget that. I have had dogs rush into my camp to greet me, run
circles around my tent and pull up all my tent tie down lines in the
process. Twice I have stepped in dog crap and once didn't notice until I was
in my tent and settling down for the night. Several times I have had dogs
"come at" me snarling and with raised neck hair as they and their owners
were approaching me on the trail. Thank God they were on a leash. Of course,
they are devoted animals protecting their owners. Its not really their fault
- again they are just doing what animals do. So, I wish all you hikers who
are thinking about taking your "friend" and "protector" with you on your
hike would think about t
he o ther hikers with whom you share the trail.
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