[pct-l] Question for 2007 thru-hikers

[jeff.singewald at comcast.net]

If you are interested in reading an account of the official detour from 2006, you can read it at:

http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=155834

This is the Indian Pass detour.  It is beautiful but it will test you.  For anyone that is considering the Jonathan Ley alternative route, you will take this detour over the first summit (Boulder Pass) before breaking off on Jonathan Ley's alternative.

Jeff
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From: joel01 at ekit.com 

> 
> Below are some notes I made after walking northbound through the 
> Glacier Peak Wilderness in the first week of September on my '07 
> thru-hike. I was truly happy I stayed on the trail here, it was some 
> of the most beautiful scenery of the entire PCT. 
> 
> Keep in mind that any tree-bridge crossings we had in '07 may not be 
> in place now. 
> 
> 
> Joel (aka Vlad the Impaler) 
> 
> ----------------------------------------- 
> 
> 
> 
> I walked the original PCT without incident along with a number of 
> other hikers. Others took the road walk, I did not meet anyone that 
> took the USFS detour at Indian Creek Trail junction. What I do know 
> about the detour from the Forest Service sign at the junction is 
> that it has 3,200 feet more climbing with "ascents and descents 
> steeper than those normally encountered on the PCT". 
> 
> So.. here's what I encountered on the original, actual PCT: 
> 
> Mile 
> 2508.9 - Junction with detour 
> Beautiful alpine scenery 
> 2517.9 - Started encountering blowdowns on descent, most were easily 
> stepped over or walked around. Blowdowns continue to 2523.2 with 
> some small overgrown area. No real major on trail obstacles 
> encountered in that stretch. 
> 2518.9 - Brand new bridge on White Chuck River. A construction crew 
> was literally finishing up as I crossed 
> 2519.9 - New bridge on Baekos Creek 
> 2521.2 - New bridge on Chetwok Creek 
> 2522.0 - Sitkum Creek has major washout with 10 foot high scramble up 
> sandbank. Water could be stepped over in a.m. If you moved 
> downstream finding a way up the opposite bank be sure to head back 
> upstream on the other side to find the trail again. 
> 2523.2 - Kennedy Creek. Again washed out. Several pieces of wood at 
> water level in place to help you cross over. Morning crossing, low 
> water. 
> Good high country walking ahead until... 
> 2533.5 - Once you get below the 4400 foot level descending to Milk 
> Creek the trail gets messy, numerous blowdowns and overgrown 
> sections. There are two places where the trail has collapsed into a 
> gully. The trail can be seen across the gaps but the good news is 
> that you don't need to cross those 2 gaps. If you look below you (on 
> your right), about 20 feet down, you will see the trail there. 
> Either go down through the bushes or step carefully down the gully 
> as I and seemingly most other hikers have done. 
> Just before Milk Creek itself you will be pushing through heavy 
> brush for a little ways. Be prepared to put on the brakes because 
> you won't want to take that next step. At this dropoff you will see 
> a path that has been beaten through the bushes. It is about 30 feet 
> down with plenty of limbs and heavy root systems to hold onto. 
> 2534.8 - Milk Creek still has the remains of a bridge in place (5 
> feet above the water). The first 10/15 feet you will teeter your way 
> across a wide twisted steel girder, then get onto bridge with planks 
> still in place. 
> The ascent after this is another mess, though more overgrown than 
> blowdowns. Once you get back to alpine the trail is beautiful. 
> 2540.6 till 2545.3 - More overgrown then some really major 
> blowdowns. Giant trees piled up next to one another. It might take 
> some time to work around these. Many I found it better to walk 
> around than to try and climb over. Downed trees are huge. 
> 2545.3 - Vista Creek has two trees across it a few feet above the 
> water. Someone has kindly taken a saw and removed offending limbs so 
> you can easily walk the length of them. 
> 2543.5 till 2547.6 - Lots of blowdowns around here but the route is 
> fairly level. Because of the level terrain I found it pretty easy to 
> get through. Again, often better to walk around downed trees than to 
> climb over. 
> 2547.6 - Suiattle River is a major very wide washout. However, it is 
> a level plain to walk across. Head towards the water, walking 
> upstream (footprints may be visible). Several hundred meters 
> upstream you will find a large tree across the river. Again, 
> offending limbs have been sawn off. Tree is 5 feet above the water 
> and the water is moving fast and heavy. I scooted my way across, 
> while others say they walked it (good for them). On the other side 
> is a bit of cord tied to a living tree to help you up the sandbank 
> (about seven feet high). 
> Go back downstream following a few flags that have been set up. Soon 
> you will get to the trail again. On this ascent, after about 1,000 
> feet of climbing, you will suddenly get to... maintained trail. 
> Freshly sawn wood visible along the trail. It'll feel like a road 
> paved with gold. 
> 
> I am very happy I took the original PCT. The scenery was beautiful 
> in the alpine portions. However, keep in mind that I went through in 
> pristine conditions. There had been no real rain for a week at 
> least. Whichever way you take, I am sure you will find adventure. 
> 
> 
> 
> Also, in the home stretch there is listed a 21.9 mile Water Alert 
> (2618.6 to 2640.5). I passed through on 15 Sept and that was not 
> quite true. 
> 
> 1/4 mile after Hart's Pass I found a small stream across the trail. 
> Many seeps with holes dug out you could pump or put a cup into were 
> found until Windy Pass, 2629.5. A small spring with nice campsite 
> just below the trail between Windy Pass and Foggy Pass, 2631.7. 
> About a mile after Devil's Backbone, 2633.7, there was running water 
> to be found at Shaw Creek. More water sites occassionally after that. 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting minnjohn1 at aol.com: 
> 
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> >Any input from 2007 thru-hikers that made it through 
> >Washington is appreciated. 
> > 
> >I found out there are some updates to the PCT Oregon 
> >& Washington book published by Wilderness Press. In 
> >fact, I downloaded them from their web site - all 
> >100+ pages of updates. These updates are for their 
> >6th and new 7th editions of the book. But, my 
> >question is about a detour that is detailed in these 
> >updates. It is called the "Indian Pass to Miners 
> >Creek Detour" and the following paragraph from 
> >Wilderness Press introduces their description. 
> > 
> > 
> >"In October 2003, a storm damaged 45 miles of the 
> >PCT in Washington State, from Indian Pass to Miners 
> > 
> >Creek, making some sections in that stretch 
> >extremely difficult. Following is a description of 
> >the 
> > 
> >51.7- mile detour, which requires a high degree of 
> >backcountry skill due to difficult navigation and 
> >deep 
> > 
> >river fords." 
> > 
> > 
> >The detour looks complicated. According to 
> >Wilderness Press, the detour was available to the 
> >2007 thru-hikers. My question?is - did any of you 
> >take this detour or did you follow the original 
> >PCT?? Can you give me some input on this? As stated 
> >above, Wilderness Press labels the detour as 
> >requiring "a high degree of backcountry skill due to 
> >difficult navigation and deep river fords". 
> > 
> >John - from Minnesota 
> > 
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> >Any input from 2007 thru-hikers that made it through 
> >Washington is appreciated.

> >

> >I found out there are some updates to the PCT Oregon 
> >& Washington book published by Wilderness Press. 
> >In fact, I downloaded them from their web site - all 
> >100+ pages of updates. These updates are for their 
> >6th and new 7th editions of the book. But, my 
> >question is about a detour that is detailed in these 
> >updates. It is called the "Indian Pass to Miners 
> >Creek Detour" and the following paragraph from 
> >Wilderness Press introduces their description.

> >

> > 
> > 
> >
"In October 2003, a storm damaged 45 
> >miles of the PCT in Washington State, from Indian 
> >Pass to Miners

> > 
> > 
> >
Creek, making some sections in that 
> >stretch extremely difficult. Following is a 
> >description of the

> > 
> > 
> >
51.7- mile detour, which requires a 
> >high degree of backcountry skill due to difficult 
> >navigation and deep

> > 
> > 
> >
river fords."

> >

> >

> >The detour looks complicated. According to 
> >Wilderness Press, the detour was available to the 
> >2007 thru-hikers. My question is - did any of 
> >you take this detour or did you follow the original 
> >PCT? Can you give me some input on this? As 
> >stated above, Wilderness Press labels the detour as 
> >requiring "a high degree of backcountry skill due to 
> >difficult navigation and deep river fords".

> >

> >John - from Minnesota

> >

> >

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