[pct-l] The logistics and costs of flipping

[Ned Tibbits]

The question I have with all the skipping around is, what is the amount of time lost from the overall season and what is the financial cost? If you jump around a lot to have less trail snow, do you have to hike faster to make up for the time spent hitching or riding the bus? Was it worth it in the long run to make the jumps and have to hike faster rather than just hike straight thru and learn how to be safe and enjoy it?

Mtnned

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andrea Dinsmore 
  To: Ned Tibbits 
  Cc: PCT MailingList 
  Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trip deadline per snow


  There are many ways to do the trail It is not written in stone that you do it strictly north bound. Depending on weather some go to Kennedy Meadows and skip north to Manning Park and go south. Would would cover heavy snow in the Sierras and light snow in the N Cascades. Some skip from the South side of the Sierras to Cascade Locks (or/wa border) and go north then return to the locks and go south. Check out past trail journals for various routes. If weather is really screwed up you may have to take two years to make the whole hike. 

  PCT MOM


   
  On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Ned Tibbits <ned at mountaineducation.com> wrote:

    And there you have it!  Now back up your schedule to a start date based on your desired speed, time off trail, zero days, and leave Campo ready to experience the Pacific Crest Trail, Sierra snow and all. 

    Mtnned

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      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Andrea Dinsmore 
      To: Ned Tibbits 
      Cc: PCT MailingList 
      Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:56 PM
      Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow fears and your choices


      It all depends on the snow (early??).If you are at Skykomish (Steven's Pass) by Sept 15-20 the weather should still be good. Rain not included. It usually rains more of Sept and or snows all of October. Norms are 10 days from Steven's to Manning Park. Figure a zero at the Stehekin Bakery. God's law....you must stop at the Bakery. If you hit Steven's Pass towards the end of Sept the weather is going to be IFFY. 

      PCT MOM







      On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Ned Tibbits <ned at mountaineducation.com> wrote:

        Excellent Advise! Andrea, what are the practical deadlines, date-wise, for thru hikers to still be able to reach Monument 74 without fear of hike-stopping snow?

        Mtnned

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          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Andrea Dinsmore 
          To: Ned Tibbits 
          Cc: mark v ; pct-l at backcountry.net 
          Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:35 PM
          Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow fears and your choices


          Perfect advice on the North Cascades snow. As you and your friends are heading NoBo just remember what happened last year in the Mts. End of Sept. dozens of hikers were cut off at Snoqualmie and Steven's Pass. Those who were in the Mts. north of Steven's finally made it thru but had a real hard time. When the trail becomes invisible under feet of snow......you are really on your own. Lighten up on your partying. Is it worth hiking 2400 miles and not finish because you had taken too many zero days and partied too much. Get your @ss in gear and party when you are done.

          PCT MOM



            The other parameter or
            time limit is the early snows that can stop you in your tracks just short of
            your Canadian goal/dream you've been working 5 months for. When that is
            fluctuates, but the risk increases after Sept. 15th to Oct. 1st.. You can
            start anytime; you may have to deal with flash floods in SOCAL or some new,
            soft snow from a late storm down there, but once the snow flies up north,
            you're done. Research the trail journals. If you choose to avoid snow by
            starting late, you'll have high mileage days to stay on optimal trail and
            get in before the first snows. Enough said, on to safety issues....



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