[pct-l] Protecting Food?
David Stewart
davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com
Sat Mar 22 20:42:59 CDT 2008
I had some questions about this, too....and if i get it right, then as long
as we do the bear-proper stuff in bear country, we can sleep with out food
in our tents, under our heads and not have to worry about mice and other
little critters, right? and shelters have mice, but there are only some 7
shelters on the whole PCT, right?
I was wondering about this, too, as the mice on the Appalachian trail are
ravenous, nasty little buggers and put holes in everything....
-moondog
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> 1. Re: Protecting Food? (Phil Baily)
> 2. Re: 2008 Resupply recommendations, please (Phil Baily)
> 3. Re: Regarding tent stakes & food odors (Oregon PCT)
> (joel01 at ekit.com)
> 4. Re: ''MEXICAN WATER'' (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 5. Re: 2008 Resupply recommendations - snoqualmie pass
> (Jeffrey Olson)
> 6. Re: Umbrellas (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 7. Re: 2008 Resupply recommendations - snoqualmie pass (Scott Bryce)
> 8. Re: 2008 Resupply recommendations - snoqualmie pass
> (Jeffrey Olson)
> 9. Re: 2008 Resupply recommendations - snoqualmie pass
> (Andrea Dinsmore)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:41:08 -0800
> From: Phil Baily <pbaily at webuniverse.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Protecting Food?
> To: <ksalmon at wesleyan.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I often do the same, but when I am more concerned I use a lightweight
> nylon stuff sack and a light weight rope available at REI, A-16 or
> any store that sells backpack equipment over a tree branch. I am not
> an ultralight fanatic but this stuff is pretty light. I think it is
> what you were taught, but with lightweight materials. I also keep all
> my food in the sack so I don't have to rummage through my pack.
>
> Pieces
>
>
>
> At 10:43 AM 3/22/08, joel01 at ekit.com wrote:
>
> >I may not be a good role model but on my 2007 thru, in So Cal I just
> >put my food in stuff sacks then put them inside my backpack. I then
> >slept with the pack under me as a pillow. Never had any problems.
> >
> >After bear container territory I strung the food up a couple of
> >times but arriving in the dark most evenings I didn't bother. Again
> >I put the pack under me and never had problems.
> >
> >You might meet a lot of mice in Washington or Oregon but mostly they
> >congregate in the very few shelters/huts along the way. In those
> >places there are usually pegs to hang your food from.
> >
> >I was awoken a few times in WA by mice running over my sleeping bag,
> >but never had them try gnawing through my pack (that happened in
> >Maine).
> >
> >Joel (aka Vlad the Impaler)
> >
> >
> >Quoting Kathleen Salmon <ksalmon at wesleyan.edu>:
> >
> > >Hello all,
> > >
> > >I'm sure a number of you will groan at this
> > >question...I tried looking for
> > >the answer on the archive...no luck.
> > >
> > >Is anyone taking a indestructible food bag to guard
> > >against little
> > >critters before the Sierras? I know some people
> > >sleep with food in the
> > >tent...
> > >
> > >How will people protect their food after they finish
> > >with their bear can?
> > >Lightweight bear hang?
> > >
> > >At my wilderness school I've only protected my food
> > >by making a bear hang
> > >with a pack and a heavy rope. So, I'm new at this.
> > >
> > >As always, I appreciate all your advice and look
> > >forward to meeting you at
> > >the kickoff!
> > >
> > >Kathleen
> > >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:51:46 -0800
> From: Phil Baily <pbaily at webuniverse.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2008 Resupply recommendations, please
> To: Laraine Downer <larainekate at yahoo.com>,pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Some thoughts below. I hope they help.
>
>
> At 11:59 AM 3/22/08, Laraine Downer wrote:
> >Well, I've got a lot of boxes partially-filled and am getting
> >confused between Yogi's book, the PCTA pre-addressed labels and my
> >past experience. I do plan to resupply the whole way because of
> >various dietary restrictions/preferences and thought before I drive
> >all these people crazy with one more call from a hiker, that I'd ask
> >the list, especially '07 hikers, as to details for these resupply
> locations:
> >
> > Walker Pass - Onyx/Lake Isabella? (Is best recommendation to just
> > haul enough food from Tehachapi to get to Kennedy Meadows - or - to
> > hitch to Onyx/Lake Isabella? and I see there's good bus service &
> > recommendation is to go on to Lake Is.)
> >
> > Kennedy Meadows campground/store? (I guess they recently sold,
> > any current info.?)
> >
> > Vermillion Valley? (I just checked their website, says they do
> > accept hiker packages - but I note very negative comments in Yogi's
> > book)Think about John Muir Ranch about a day earlier and closer to
> > the trail. Some discussion on this forum about a week ago.
> >
> > Belden? (are Laurie & Brenda Braaten still local trail angels?)
> > Caribou Corners (RV camping, showers, toilets, laundry, restaurant,
> > limited items for sale) is about 3/4 mile east of the trail along
> > the road. I don't know if they accept packages. There is free camping
> nearby.
> >
> > Burney Falls State Park (I saw previous posting re. being careful
> > cause PCTA labels were to p.o., NOT state park (which is UPS only)
> >
> > Callahan's? - (Are they still accepting hiker packages?) As of
> > last week, they are talking about re-opening around July 1. Contact
> > them through website at http://www.callahanslodge.com/
> >
> > Ollalie Lake? (I guess they're not accepting hiker packages any more.)
> >
> > Snoqualmie Pass? (Does it work best to ask Postmaster to "Please
> > hold up front at the Chevron"?
> >
> > Skykomish? - Are the Dinsmore's still local trail angels?
> >
> > I'd very much appreciate any current info. you have AND be seeing
> > many of you on the trail - SOON!
> >
> > Ladeda
> > Laraine
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:58:25 +0000
> From: joel01 at ekit.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Regarding tent stakes & food odors (Oregon PCT)
> To: <omullis at aircanopy.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> 1. Lots of areas with soft soil, except when you are on lava fields;
> which I wouldn't recommend sleeping on (unless you're into that kind
> of thing). I never carry a mallet, rocks work fine.
>
> 2. If you are only talking about in Oregon, than I wouldn't worry
> about an Ursack or bear canister. However, if you are going through
> the Sierras there is a stretch in there where proper storage is
> legally required.
>
> When it comes to habituated bears it isn't just scent that is going
> to draw them in. Human + backpack spells F-O-O-D. Bright foil
> packages are worth a chomp into. A habituated bear probably knows
> the difference and has a preference between Clif bars and other
> energy bars.
>
> Joel (aka Vlad the Impaler)
>
>
> Quoting OMullis <omullis at aircanopy.net>:
>
> >Couple questions for the experienced crowd.
> >
> >1. What's your experience with Oregon soils along
> >the PCT as far as inserting/removing 6-8" tent
> >stakes? Is a mallet needed or can one push them in
> >by hand and/or mash them in with one's foot?
> >
> >2. I'm thinking that the manufacturer's engineered
> >foil-and-polymer wrappers on bar items (Clif,
> >Balance, Kashi, etc) and cold-prep freeze-dried
> >foods (e.g., Adventure Foods) are impermeable enough
> >with regard to odors that if I keep them inside an
> >odorproof O.P. Sak to further reduce the odor
> >transmission that I won't need to also provide a
> >physical barrier/deterent like an Ursack or bear
> >can. Sound reasonable? Naive? Ignorant?
> >
> >Trying to keep things as light and simple as I can
> >without creating problems for myself or others.
> >Thanks for sharing your experience and advice!
> >
> >Ollen Mullis
> >PCT-OR Sept2008
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> Burned my credit card for fuel
> Headed out to where the pavement turns to sand - Neil Young
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:18:11 EDT
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ''MEXICAN WATER''
> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <d46.25295d41.3516fbc3 at aol.com>
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> Unsupported Snow Bunny Reinhold writes: MEXICAN WATER is far superior to
> plain dehydrated water and comes in 3 refreshing flavors.....Margarita,
> Tequila and Montezuma's Revenge. Just add water and you have instant,
> refreshing,
> thirst quenching MEXICAN WATER Vs Switchback's plain, stale dehydrated
> water.
> ............. It also has been reported that hikers who drink MEXICAN
> WATER
> appear to be happier campers, singing and yodeling while hiking and
> shouting ''Ohhlee'' till the whee hours in the morning. .........
> REMEMBER.....Switchback is not an authorized distributor.....place all
> your orders through
> JMT Reinhold to assure authentic MEXICAN WATER.
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: What Unsupported fails to mention is that if you
> drink
> his supposed dehydrated water, you start your PCT thru hike NoBo and end
> up in
> Florida. NOT CANADA! You wake up one day and find yourself surrounded
> by
> alligators. Nice. Real nice end to your big hiking adventure -- no more
> adventures.
>
> Mine is proven and has been demonstrated in front of hundreds of hikers.
> Many hikers on this List will support my claim to have the only real
> dehydrated
> water mix - they have seen it with their own eyes. Pure and refreshing
> water disappears into nothingness - the ultimate in Super Ultra Light
> Backpacking.
>
> Thru hikers may now safely plan not to carry any heavy hiking water on
> their
> thru hike. I can make your hiking water safely disappear into thin air
> ---
> no weight, no bother, no filtering, no water cashes, no overloaded packs.
>
> SEE IT AT THE PIRATE'S ROOST/LAIR AT THE APRIL KICKOFF.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:25:58 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2008 Resupply recommendations - snoqualmie pass
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> In 2005 you could send packages to the Summit Lodge at Snoqualmie Pass
> and get a thru-hiker rate for a room. Just tell them you're a PCT hiker.
>
> http://www.snoqualmiesummitlodge.com/
>
> The people were very friendly, there is a hot tub and sauna, and the
> restaurant had decent meals. It's the last on trail lodging before
> Manning... It even beats the rental condos/bunk rooms at White Pass (I
> spent two nights here watching rain fall on the ski slopes across the
> highway.)
>
> Jeff, just Jeff...
>
>
>
> Phil Baily wrote:
> > Some thoughts below. I hope they help.
> >
> >
> > At 11:59 AM 3/22/08, Laraine Downer wrote:
> >
> >> Well, I've got a lot of boxes partially-filled and am getting
> >> confused between Yogi's book, the PCTA pre-addressed labels and my
> >> past experience. I do plan to resupply the whole way because of
> >> various dietary restrictions/preferences and thought before I drive
> >> all these people crazy with one more call from a hiker, that I'd ask
> >> the list, especially '07 hikers, as to details for these resupply
> locations:
> >>
> >> Walker Pass - Onyx/Lake Isabella? (Is best recommendation to just
> >> haul enough food from Tehachapi to get to Kennedy Meadows - or - to
> >> hitch to Onyx/Lake Isabella? and I see there's good bus service &
> >> recommendation is to go on to Lake Is.)
> >>
> >> Kennedy Meadows campground/store? (I guess they recently sold,
> >> any current info.?)
> >>
> >> Vermillion Valley? (I just checked their website, says they do
> >> accept hiker packages - but I note very negative comments in Yogi's
> >> book)Think about John Muir Ranch about a day earlier and closer to
> >> the trail. Some discussion on this forum about a week ago.
> >>
> >> Belden? (are Laurie & Brenda Braaten still local trail angels?)
> >> Caribou Corners (RV camping, showers, toilets, laundry, restaurant,
> >> limited items for sale) is about 3/4 mile east of the trail along
> >> the road. I don't know if they accept packages. There is free camping
> nearby.
> >>
> >> Burney Falls State Park (I saw previous posting re. being careful
> >> cause PCTA labels were to p.o., NOT state park (which is UPS only)
> >>
> >> Callahan's? - (Are they still accepting hiker packages?) As of
> >> last week, they are talking about re-opening around July 1. Contact
> >> them through website at http://www.callahanslodge.com/
> >>
> >> Ollalie Lake? (I guess they're not accepting hiker packages any
> more.)
> >>
> >> Snoqualmie Pass? (Does it work best to ask Postmaster to "Please
> >> hold up front at the Chevron"?
> >>
> >> Skykomish? - Are the Dinsmore's still local trail angels?
> >>
> >> I'd very much appreciate any current info. you have AND be seeing
> >> many of you on the trail - SOON!
> >>
> >> Ladeda
> >> Laraine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------
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> Search.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:29:49 EDT
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Umbrellas
> To: vaporjourney at gmail.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Eric writes: I'm planning to ditch my umbrella in the High Sierra in favor
> of a visor and bandana combination (maybe Sunday Afternoons hat) for
> *when* I
> fall on the slopes and don't wanna ruin the umbrella. When would be a
> good
> time to get the umbrella back? I know there are some more exposed and DRY
> sections like the Hat Creek Rim further north, so where would an umbrella
> be
> really beneficial *consistently *in this area, and get rid of the visor?
> --------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: I have found in the Sierras an umbrella and
> SunPrecaution.com clothing to be invaluable. The higher you go, the more
> radiation from
> the sun and reflection off rocks. And lots of dehydration. The better
> you
> protect yourself from the sun the better your water management. There
> have
> been times down in the CA Golden Trout Wilderness when I have been glad
> for
> everything I had to keep the sun off me. This is especially true when I
> have
> been going crosscounty or route finding.
>
> Also, I have noticed too at KM the hiker is box is full of umbrellas and
> my
> Handsfree Umbrella holders. I am not sure I would ditch my umbrella there
> or
> anywhere else along the trail. IMHO.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:33:02 -0600
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2008 Resupply recommendations - snoqualmie pass
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Jeffrey Olson wrote:
> > In 2005 you could send packages to the Summit Lodge at Snoqualmie
> > Pass
>
> I don't think they hold packages anymore.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:44:24 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2008 Resupply recommendations - snoqualmie pass
> To: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <47E5A7E8.5030202 at olc.edu>
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>
> I just called the Summit Lodge and was told they didn't know yet if they
> would be holding packages - to call the front desk tuesday thru
> thursday, 7 - 5 to get an answer. 425-434-6300 for those who wish to
> know!!!
>
> Jeff...
>
> Scott Bryce wrote:
> > Jeffrey Olson wrote:
> >
> >> In 2005 you could send packages to the Summit Lodge at Snoqualmie
> >> Pass
> >>
> >
> > I don't think they hold packages anymore.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:52:41 -0700
> From: "Andrea Dinsmore" <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2008 Resupply recommendations - snoqualmie pass
> To: "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Well.......jeez Jeff. Don't forget Skykomish. You may have to hitch west
> about 15 minutes and we are hiker friendly !!! We still hold packages.
>
> PCT MOM
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu> wrote:
>
> > In 2005 you could send packages to the Summit Lodge at Snoqualmie Pass
> > and get a thru-hiker rate for a room. Just tell them you're a PCT
> hiker.
> >
> > http://www.snoqualmiesummitlodge.com/
> >
> > The people were very friendly, there is a hot tub and sauna, and the
> > restaurant had decent meals. It's the last on trail lodging before
> > Manning... It even beats the rental condos/bunk rooms at White Pass (I
> > spent two nights here watching rain fall on the ski slopes across the
> > highway.)
> >
> > Jeff, just Jeff...
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil Baily wrote:
> > > Some thoughts below. I hope they help.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 11:59 AM 3/22/08, Laraine Downer wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, I've got a lot of boxes partially-filled and am getting
> > >> confused between Yogi's book, the PCTA pre-addressed labels and my
> > >> past experience. I do plan to resupply the whole way because of
> > >> various dietary restrictions/preferences and thought before I drive
> > >> all these people crazy with one more call from a hiker, that I'd ask
> > >> the list, especially '07 hikers, as to details for these resupply
> > locations:
> > >>
> > >> Walker Pass - Onyx/Lake Isabella? (Is best recommendation to just
> > >> haul enough food from Tehachapi to get to Kennedy Meadows - or - to
> > >> hitch to Onyx/Lake Isabella? and I see there's good bus service &
> > >> recommendation is to go on to Lake Is.)
> > >>
> > >> Kennedy Meadows campground/store? (I guess they recently sold,
> > >> any current info.?)
> > >>
> > >> Vermillion Valley? (I just checked their website, says they do
> > >> accept hiker packages - but I note very negative comments in Yogi's
> > >> book)Think about John Muir Ranch about a day earlier and closer to
> > >> the trail. Some discussion on this forum about a week ago.
> > >>
> > >> Belden? (are Laurie & Brenda Braaten still local trail angels?)
> > >> Caribou Corners (RV camping, showers, toilets, laundry, restaurant,
> > >> limited items for sale) is about 3/4 mile east of the trail along
> > >> the road. I don't know if they accept packages. There is free camping
> > nearby.
> > >>
> > >> Burney Falls State Park (I saw previous posting re. being careful
> > >> cause PCTA labels were to p.o., NOT state park (which is UPS only)
> > >>
> > >> Callahan's? - (Are they still accepting hiker packages?) As of
> > >> last week, they are talking about re-opening around July 1. Contact
> > >> them through website at http://www.callahanslodge.com/
> > >>
> > >> Ollalie Lake? (I guess they're not accepting hiker packages any
> > more.)
> > >>
> > >> Snoqualmie Pass? (Does it work best to ask Postmaster to "Please
> > >> hold up front at the Chevron"?
> > >>
> > >> Skykomish? - Are the Dinsmore's still local trail angels?
> > >>
> > >> I'd very much appreciate any current info. you have AND be seeing
> > >> many of you on the trail - SOON!
> > >>
> > >> Ladeda
> > >> Laraine
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------
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> > Search.
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>
> PCT MOM
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